Should Judge Merchan jail Trump on the 11th violation?

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Should Judge Merchan jail Trump on the 11th violation?

  1. Yes, trial integrity demands it.

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  2. No, bad for the country/political consequences, etc.

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yep..... pretty brazen when a corrupt judge is ‘"protecting the dignity of the justice system.'”
     
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    that should be enough to impeach.... but Republicans in Congress don't care
     
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    If Jailing Trump for Free Speech is what it takes to get Americans to look more closely at what these corrupt Democrats then Trump's fine with going to jail.

    Americans aren't fooled.

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    If this clown Merchan jails Trump for his Free Speech these numbers that this is politically motivated will explode.
     
  5. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    I say Trump is baiting the judge to throw him in jail and then Trump will have yet another mugshot opportunity to campaign on. The left will fall for it like a ton of bricks and Trump will win by even a larger majority. Trump plays you guys like a fiddle and you never figure that out. It is people like YOU who are electing him president but you're too blind with Trump hatred to see it.
     
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  6. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    This is possibly the most politically motivated trial in American history.
     
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    On the next infraction I think he should make him spend a night in jail with the caveat that if he continues to ignore the terms of the gag order that he could spend the rest of the trial in jail when he's not in court.
     
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    Yeah tRaitor tRump has done his best to make his indictments and this trial political. When in fact they are all about his alleged, at the point, crimes. There was nothing "political" about any of it until tRaitor tRump turned it into a political circus for his base.
     
  9. Tahuyaman

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    You are viewing this as a hard core partisan Democrat. There’s no demonstrable crime here. This is simply intended to damage Trump as a presidential candidate. This prosecution is based on politics.
     
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    Why doesn’t the gag order apply equally to the prosecution and their witnesses? Gag orders routinely are used to protect defendants as well.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    and a 'Git-R-Done' trial before the next election... smells political to me also..
     
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    Trump is defending his 1st amendment god given rights to free speech. Merchan is not god.
     
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    Trump baited Merchan again yesterday saying he's willing to go to jail to stand up for the Constitution. The judge has been inconsistent. He held Trump in contempt last week for social media posts to news articles about the case and quotes about Cohen. The judge said despite Trump running for office, he's gagged from talking about Cohen even though Cohen is publicly attacking him. Now, in Merchan's latest order, he dismissed the prosecution's demands to hold Trump in contempt for criticizing Cohen again and said Trump has a Constitutional right to that speech. But he's not allowed to say the jury was picked quickly, lol. That political speech is apparently not protected by the Constitution. The judge is a partisan hack who is probably reading the criticism from the left and is trying to dance the tightrope of rigging this process against Trump without turning the media overwhelmingly on the side of Trump's defense. His orders do not follow the law, contradict each other, and make little sense. He purposefully took cases blatantly out of context to justify his gag order despite the cases he cited saying he is violating Trump's rights.

    Yesterday he allowed two witnesses to testify and submit more evidence into the record despite both witnesses not being on the witness list and the defense not having time to research and/or rebut the evidence. One witness the defense was told about on Sunday that he was going to testify the following day first thing in the morning so they could not prepare. Then the second witness they told the defense about 30 minutes before calling her to the stand while they were already in court. They are using every dirty prosecutorial misconduct trick in the book to rig the outcome and violate Trump's rights, and the judge is acting as an accomplice to all of it. There is no reason these witnesses had to testify yesterday when other witnesses were already ready to be called. But they knew these witnesses would be somewhat beneficial to Trump, so they didn't want to give them an opportunity to prepare to cross-examine them.

    Despite this, the first witness testified that he was the one who made the sole decision to classify the legal expense payments to Cohen as "legal expenses" in the ledger that Trump was charged with felonies for. He testified Trump was not involved, just like every other witness the prosecution has called up. None of them have had any material evidence or facts that Trump was ever involved.

    Throughout the ordeal yesterday, by my calculation the judge overruled every single defense objection and sustained every single prosecution objection. This trial is a joke. And if the SDNY wasn't such a bunch of partisan hacks, this would have been ended already. The federal courts have said that if you're being charged with a felony you have a right to know what the exact crimes and actions are that you've being prosecuted for. Bragg is saying NY law doesn't require it, so he refused.
     
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    I also say lock him up. What could be more entertaining?
     
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    TLDR
     
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    I am viewing this as a hard core American Patriot.
    That's what the trial aims to find out. So far it seems the prosecution is prevailing.
    IF it does it's at his own criminal hands.
    No, but tRaitor tRumps response is.
     
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    There’s no crime here. The Feds already said this is nothing. But yes, you are viewing this through shard core partisan lens. There’s nothing patriotic about it.


    Even if there was a crime here, The statute of limitations expired quite a while ago.
     
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    No, the chose not to prosecute.
    I only use quality nonpartisan lens's.
    Now you're judging what's in MY heart; don't do that, you'll end up looking foolish.
    Not necessarily. As has been discussed ad infinitum in other, more appropriate, threads.
     
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    I Dare You. “Donald Trump is now daring the judge in his Manhattan trial to throw him in jail for violating his gag order.”

    Let's see if the nutless robed clown running the Goat Rodeo has the balls to jail Trump for Free Speech

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    Bring It Bitch.

    'Trump's violation this time was commenting on the political makeup of the Manhattan jury pool, which he claimed was 95% Democrats. For Trump's allusion to a "jury," Merchan threatened for the second time to lock up the former president of the United States of America on bookkeeping charges. Misdemeanors.'

    'After court, Trump said he would be willing to go to jail to make a point about the constitutional right to free speech.'

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    There’s no crime here. The most they could possibly come up with is a minor accounting error which would warrant a minor fine. No other person would be prosecuted over something this trivial.

    Even if there was a minor crime here, the statute of limitations expired a long time ago.

    States, counties and cities can’t prosecute a violation of federal election laws anyway.

    The prosecution knows that if they get a conviction it will not survive an appeal.
     
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    And McCooney does the accounting, not Trump.....Jeffrey McConney was the Comptroller's responsibility to classify expenditures and that Trump did not order him to do so.
     
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    It shouldn't be something too dramatic. I hear there is a small detention cell in the courthouse. Why not have him spend the night there? Or even an afternoon after the trial....

    Now... the time after THAT... would be another story.
     
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    Merchan is stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

    Trump may in all actuality want to be jailed because it will just increase his popularity with his minions. The thing which he isn't doing, if that indeed is his train of thought, is gaining anymore followers.
     
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    It wouldn't be entertaining at all. It would be a sad reflection on America having to jail the frontrunner for the GOP. That doesn't mean I don't want him in jail, I sure as hell do, but that is where he belongs, but it's sad statement on the GOP picking a criminal sitting on a mountain of bad acts for a fronter runner. I remember when Gary Hart's candidacy was derailed because a woman who wasn't his wife sat on his lap. I remember Sen. Franken had to resign because of a photo of him pretending to grab a woman's breasts (it was a prank, he didn't actually do it, nor did she mind), etc, etc., but Trump, who fornicated witih a porn star, a playboy playmate while his newly wed wife was pregnant, screwed thousands out of millions in a fake university scam, conspired to subvert the 2020 election and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, which is led to two indictments, obstructed justice, obstructed congress, and the list of bad acts goes on and on, all of this is fine with Republicans. 30 years ago, it wouldn't have been okay, so the GOP is now a cesspool. Trump is dripping in slime but Republicans don't care.
     
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    nah, send him over to Rikers, let him get a whiff of what the lower end of life is like.
     

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