Lying Jack's Classified Docs Case Goes Buns Up - Postponed Indefinitely.

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  1. Zorro

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    Trump Classified Docs Trial Postponed Indefinitely.

    @Patricio Da Silva has assured us that Lying Jack was going to just file a Writ of Mandamus and have Good Judge Cannon replaced with a judge more to Lying Jack's liking. Weird that Lying Jack never seemed to actually get around to that.

    Good Judge Cannon isn't going to slam the trial through to meet Lying Jack's goal of election interference.

    'Court’s duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court, critical CIPA issues, and additional pretrial and trial preparations necessary to present this case to a jury," Judge Cannon wrote.'

    Fat Sweaty Bragg, the crooked NY prosecutor with the fixed case in NY was planning on running his goat rodeo right up the start of this trial to assure that Trump was kept off the campaign trail.

    '"The Court therefore vacates the current May 20, 2024, trial date (and associated calendar call), to be reset by separate order following resolution of the matters before the Court, consistent with Defendant's’ right to due process and the public’s interest in the fair and efficient administration of justice."'

    Lying 'Jack Smith's classified documents case against former President Donald Trump has been on shaky ground lately. On Friday, Smith’s team admitted to misleading Cannon and tampering with the evidence that had been used as the basis for his case against Trump.'

    They had also lied to the Court claiming that the evidence was in the same condition as when they removed it from MAL.

    'Last month, Cannon unsealed a trove of new documents in the case that also revealed that an FBI agent had testified that the General Services Administration (GSA) was in possession of Trump's boxes in Virginia before ordering Trump's team to come get them. The same boxes that the GSA had been holding and ordered Trump’s team to retrieve ended up being the boxes that contained classified markings, raising questions about whether the Biden administration had set up Trump.'

    "So an entire pallet full of boxes that had been held by GSA somewhere outside of DC is dumped at Mar-a-Lago," independent journalist Julie Kelly noted. "Apparently these are the boxes that ended up containing papers with 'classified markings.'"

    So FJB's Administration boxed up the documents, salted them with classified docs, delivered them to MAL, where they sat undisturbed until Dirtbag Merrick conducted an armed raid, retrieved them and as since ruffled and rummaged through the boxes thoroughly contaminating the evidence, and spoiling the evidence that showed that Trump may not have ever even opened them.

    Lying Jack Smith’s Case Against Trump Appears to Be Falling Apart.

    Read the whole thing and discuss.
     
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    Trump Classified Document Trial Postponed Indefinitely Days After 'Mishandled Evidence' Bombshell
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    'Setting a new date with so many outstanding matters would be “imprudent.”'

    Lying Jack's Folly.

    Lying Jack Smith's team were forced to admit that they tampered with the 'classified files at the heart of the case.'

    Sorting out the spoliation of evidence will take some time. Generally it's assumed that if the evidence hadn't been spoiled that it would undermine the position of the spoiler of the evidence.

    'Cannon ordered a review into whether the FBI may have seized legally privileged records in response to a request from Trump co-defendant Walt Nauta.'
     
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    The only question that I have for this "judge". does she swallow?
    As long ago as this started it should easily be in the trial stage by now.
    Now there is virtually no chance of this trial being over prior to the vote.
    A year to get to she needs a few months of reading? Sad. Put her on parking tickets and get a real judge.
    After he loses the election then the trial will commence.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    This trial uncovered the corruption of our own government..... Actually she did not do enough.... She should have shut this case down long again, no prolong it, but dismiss it all together .... She knew what corruption was going on under the redactions and did the right thing and unredacted and exposed what is going on.... THIS VERY THING SHOULD HAPPEN IN ALL FOUR CASES... as we find time and time again.... our government uses redactions to cover their corruption.
     
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    The deep state is so entrenched that they think they can bully a judge to get their way.
     
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    Don't be mad at the judge just because the FBI tampered with the evidence and presented false evidence.
     
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    Womanizing aside, the judge just asked the prosecution last month if the contents of the boxes remained the same. They said the only difference is that they replaced the classified documents at issue in this case with classified folder markers in the same location. They were then forced to admit they misled the court. Perhaps if they didn’t remove all the documents at the scene and paper clip them to classified markers for a political photo op on Trump’s carpet the evidence wouldn’t have been spoiled.

    The defense was planning to use the argument that based on the location of the documents in the boxes in conjunction with the surrounding documents they were with, the defendants didn’t know they had some or all of the documents at issue in this case. But now the prosecution is admitting they spoiled the evidence and the surrounding documents aren’t accurate. Some documents they were charged for possessing are off by a couple hundred pages within the boxes. They also said other documents aren’t in the same location either because they chose to transport everything to Washington DC where they were conducting their investigation and grand jury despite the crime occurring in Florida… which is where the documents should have remained, the investigation should have occurred, and the grand jury should have been convened. But they knew they had a better chance with a grand jury in DC, so they convened a grand jury 1500 miles away. The documents were then ordered back to Florida to partially remediate the misconduct issue and to give defense attorneys access to the evidence the prosecution was keeping a plane ride away. The defense is left with no other recourse other than asking for the evidence to be dismissed.

    So now Cannon has yet another instance of Biden’s corrupt DOJ and Jack Smith’s team creating an issue that needs to be figured out before they can get in front of a jury with the evidence. The reason this is taking so long isn’t because of Cannon. It’s because of the overt corruption and awkward handling of these cases. This is the kind of misconduct prosecutions use when they know they need all the help they can get for a conviction because if they acted honorably they’d have a low chance of proving their case.
     
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    So the only thing matters is Trump. The fact that the evidence against Trump is fraudulent to a greater or lesser extent doesn't matter at all to you does it?
     
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    Wait... So you mean that photo with all the classified markings laying on the carpet at MAL was brought in and staged there for a photo op? They weren't actually in the documents before the raid? This should piss everyone off, if true.
     
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    the red folders laying on the floor were not Trump's... they were brought in by the FBI and the document were paper clipped to them for the photo op... the document were not originally in the boxes like that with folders....

    strange how the FBI can create fake evidence and photo ops and no one is held accountable...

    "Fruit of the poisonous tree" time and time again....
     
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    Wow. I was under the impression that the documents laying there were "as found" in the boxes, and that the boxes were transported to MAL by Trump, or his staff.
     
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    ""Classified cover sheets were not “recovered” in the container, contrary to Bratt’s declaration to the court. In fact, after being busted recently by defense attorneys for mishandling evidence in the case, Bratt had to fess up about how the cover sheets actually ended up on the documents. Here is Bratt’s new version of the story, where he finally admits a critical detail that he failed to disclose in his August 2022 filing:

    “[If] the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose.”

    But before the official cover sheets were used as placeholder, agents apparently used them as props. FBI agents took it upon themselves to paperclip the sheets to documents—something evident given the uniform nature of how each cover sheet is clipped to each file in the photo—laid them on the floor, and snapped a picture for political posterity""

    https://www.declassified.live/p/the-dojs-doctored-crime-scene-photo
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-judiciary-committee-investigates-manipulated-164148879.html
     
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    A pallet of unchecked unverified boxes of documents were collected well after he left by the GSA storage facility... there is no guarantee there was no classified documents placed in those boxes before leaving the facility...

    So an entire pallet full of boxes that had been held by GSA somewhere outside of DC is dumped at Mar-a-Lago. Apparently these are the boxes that ended up containing papers with "classified markings."

    So what stopped the Feds from "salting" the boxes with classified documents before they were sent?

    https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1784228073392513169

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    Wow, that is just shameful. How can anybody be OK with this? I mean, other than the "ends justify any means" anti-Trumpers, that is.
     
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    That's exactly what Lying Jack tried to do, and it looks like it got him nowhere. Spoliation of all that evidence, that's going to hurt.
     
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    There's a WH team that handles the packing of documents and items when a President leaves office. The president also has a separate post-office NARA team to be a liaison between the outgoing administration and NARA. The defense just found new evidence where NARA admitted this process usually takes several months. Other Presidents were given time to work with NARA and negotiate documents. Trump was the only one they charged while they were still working with NARA. Internal emails and records show NARA was frustrated with the pace that Trump's NARA team was working with them so they went to the DOJ and Biden's WH to help execute the raid. They helped identify specific documents they believed in Trump's possession as a reason to raid Trump's property. Apparently, Biden's WH demanded final say on when to execute the raid. The raid then happened 24 hours after two major stories were breaking that were hurting Biden: 1. Trump said he was going to be announcing he was running again and 2. Democrats passed a massive spending bill that was going to raise inflation while inflation was crushing the economy.
    https://web.archive.org/web/2022080...-price-midterms-passing-massive-spending-bill
    https://web.archive.org/web/2022080...cs/donald-trump-says-2024-announcement-coming

    While the documents were in Mar-a-Lago they were moved a couple times for security purposes. People who helped move the boxes are being charged. One of the defendants, Nauta (Trump's valet), got a defense attorney before he was under criminal investigation. His attorney was going for a federal judge position, so the investigators effectively threatened his professional future if he didn't convince his client to work against his own interests and help them prosecute Trump. The defense attorney refused and in return they charged the valet. Judge Cannon is hearing evidence about selective/vindictive prosecution over the veiled threat to his attorney and his charges coming after not agreeing to cooperate.

    Nauta wasn't going through all the boxes and records. So, having bright colored pages would help the prosecution claiming he should have known. But their location and how they were stored in the boxes was also crucial to his defense. It came up pre-trial so the judge asked Bratt/Jack Smith's team, "are the boxes in their original, intact form as seized?" They told her, yes, but with only one exception: they replaced the classified documents in the boxes with colored markers. Otherwise, the evidence of how the contents inside the boxes weren't rearranged or moved in any way. Now they're saying this wasn't true.

    The contents being exactly how they were seized is crucial to maintaining the evidence because the defense counsels wanted to make the case that they didn't know those specific documents they were being charged with were in the boxes. It was a mountain of boxes, and there was no way they knew every document they had... especially the valet they charged for suspicious reasons. The prosecution has to prove they knew about those documents and that they had criminal intent. So the placement of the documents and the type of surrounding items (pictures, index cards, miscellaneous objects, etc) would show they were mixed in with certain things and would not have been easily known for all the defendants to know those documents were in the boxes. But now the prosecution was forced to admit they had misled the defense and the court the entire time about the key evidence in the case. They have to go back to the drawing board and figure out how they can move forward in putting together a defense.

    They will be asking for this evidence to be thrown out since, in their view, the evidence has been spoiled by the investigators, which means they can no longer put forward a proper defense. For all they know the classified documents in question could have been laying flat below other stacks of documents. They have no way of guaranteeing the status of the evidence as it was in possession of the defendants. And thus the case is on hold while they figure this all out. I imagine they'll have hearings and everyone will try to find the most relevant case law on what to do in situations like this.
     
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    The case was already postponed indefinitely. The judge's goal was always to postpone it indefinitely. She has refused to set any serious, actual deadlines or dates from the get-go.
     
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    The un-redacting of the Smith coverup of the Biden WH involvement is the reason it was postponed indefinitely.... the revealing the photo was a setup...the revealing the collusion of WH, NARA, FBI was a setup.... justice is being served by an honest judge....
     
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    I'm sorry, I fell asleep during the copy/paste conspiracy theory dump.
     
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    There is a main stay reason she's slow walking and not making any actual decisions. Nothing for the parties to appeal upto a higher court, hence, she can't be overruled. She's either in the tank fully or in over her head or both. She's spent multiple weeks at private retreats paid for by someone else but still can't actually rule on any motions. Hence, nothing to appeal as she controls the docket timing.
     
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    But wait...I thought the entire legal system was out to get Trump? Huh....guess not.
     
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    Yep. There's a reason she's issuing so many paperless orders, which can't be appealed. And she keeps making monumental errors in the law. I have hard time accepting that it isn't BOTH corruption AND incompetence at this point.
     
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    I bet this is the first time in history the FBI has acted corruptly...
     
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    ""she keeps making monumental errors in the law.""
    please explain
     
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