Biden Was Slow To Condemn

Cum-by-ya perspective that isn't grounded in any form of reality.

The world is a violent place. From viruses trying to kill humans, to animals killing each other for food, to humans killing each other over territory and power. The facts and reality are what they are.

I wish nobody was sick, but I am not prepared to eliminate medicine and hope our creator solves it.

In any case, you are quick to criticize Israel for their retaliatory attack that you previously knew would happen. You call for peace, but only unilaterally.

Blame it on your awakening if you want, but that doesn't change anything.

 

What schools are funding Israel's war efforts or defense?

 

The world does not have to be a violent place, and we should not simply stand idle while is so. We can work to make it a less violent place rather than simply accepting the death and terror inflicted by groups like Hamas and the IDF. The answer is not in more slaughter. That will do nothing but increase hatred on the opposing side and perpetuating the cycle of violence.
I have not called for peace unilaterally. People like you keep saying that, but as I have said many times, I have condemned Hamas when they are the ones doing the killing, like on Ocrober 7th. The simple fact is is that since then it has been the IDF doing the killing of innocents, not Hamas, so they are the ones I am condemning now. That does not mean I support Hamas. I do not. I find them repulsive. I do however, recognize how and why they became how they are.

"Cum-by-ya", as you like to dismissively put it, is the ONLY thing grounded in reality. Thinking you can bomb your way out of this situation is pure delusional insanity, as Israel should have figured out by now. All they are doing is ensuring that another generation of radicals will be frothing at the mouth for revenge. There is no military solution to this problem. Does Israel need to defend itself? of course, absolutely. But what it has been doing goes FAR beyond that. What needs to happen is a strong vigilant securing of their border, while negotiation and diplomacy is used as the primary weapon to finding a lasting solution.

You can pretend that Israel has tried that in the past, but they haven't. All negotiation in the past has been with only Israel's interests as the goal, with Israel holding all of the power and influence, rather than something that would be mutually agreeable to both Israelis and Palestinians. The interests of both parties should be the goal, not just one. That is the ONLY way to secure lasting peace.

 

the difference is the right defending Jan 6th

the right should have condemned them and supported their peaceful protestors that did not riot and attack cops, not defend those that did

 

"I wish nobody was sick, but I am not prepared to eliminate medicine and hope our creator solves it."

I would support universal Health Care as I know no Creator will solve it

 

One of the main goals of the protests on campuses is to get the schools to divest from Israel.

And I noticed that you ignored my question to you.

 

The ones refusing student demands to be transparent on their dealings with Israel, probably.

 

Of course it does.

The world has always been violent, and not just humans.

That will not change.

We shouldnt base policy and actions on an idealistic utopian dream. That simply isnt reality.

There will ALWAYS be evil in the world. Always.

Sometimes violent actions prevents more damage. Most experts agree dropping the nukes on Japan saved lives compared to the alternative.

Palestinians and Hamas have shown they have no interest in peace or a two state solution. Violence will not stop so long as Jews inhabit that land.

You can deny that in some idealistic dream, but thats simply reality.

I searched your posts, and i couldnt find anything condemning Hamas until you came out against the IDFs retaliation.

Those hostages are getting the Four Seasons treatment?

"How they became".... meaning they are vivictims?

I think Israel should exterminate every single Hamas member and get every Palestinian out by any means. Then build a big wall with lots of guns on it.

I disagree. Somebody comes in my house and kills thousands of innocent civilians, and it would be scorched earth until every terrorist and their supporters are eliminated.

So, continue to do what they have tried to do for decades that resulted in thousands of innocent deaths? Great plan.

Those attempts. Those efforts are long gone. Hamas is guilty of creating this.

Lol. Here we go with your anti-semite BS again.

Oh BS. Israel over the decades has bent over backwards for a two state solution. They designated the WB and Gaza as independent lands THEY controlled to try to appease the radical Palestinians and their agents. All that got them was endless attacks.

Which side supported a two-state solution, and which side didnt?

 

So a connection is just assumed that the schools are funding the IDF?

 

I'm not usually in the practice of answering questions for people who ignore mine to them.

 

Well, I won't waste my breath trying to convince you. If you are heavily invested in the illusion of death, scarcity, and fear our 'leaders' control us with, then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise. Change has to start within you before it can be projected outside of you. No worries. We all get there eventually, and there is nothing wrong with being invested in the illusion. It is part of what we are here to experience and learn from.

 

Extremism exists on both the Right and Left:

 

I think we need better terminology for what "extremist" and "radical" mean. They conjure up visions of violence and tribalism, but they could just mean being on the extreme end of an issue, such as an extreme pacifist.

 

Why are those on the left so weak at actually defending their beliefs and debating them in a constructive fashion? Maybe its because they know their ideological values are based on BS and so flawed they can't logically debate them.... so we get this:

Do you see a question here that wasn't hypothetical? Obviously, the students would be demonstrating in opposition of terrorist attacks by Hamas that resulted in thousands of dead jews. If the funding is the basis of the protest, SHOULDN'T THE FUNDING BE TIED TO THE WAR EFFORT?

Asking Universities to divest from Israel, likely in the form of research grants and such, has nothing to do with the cost of rice in China. That makes literally zero sense. Zero.

And also, in order to answer YOUR hypothetical question, I challenge the very basis of the protests. FUNDING.

Ope! My question was too complicated to answer logically and honestly. So toss out some "divest from Israel" bland BS because you know the answer to my question would destroy your perspective.

Another example of providing ZERO actual justification in defense of the protestors, because we all know US Universities are NOT funding the IDF or military. But this all has nothing to do with funding or innocent people, this has to do with antisemitism.

And you didn't.

What ****ing question? The attempt at you to deflect?​

US universities are not providing funding to Israel Defense Forces. So..... they are protesting what then? Funding research grants? WTF?

But somehow, those on the left believe that this protest is valid yet the lack of protest against Hamas terrorism is justified and defensible?

In what ****ing world does any of that make sense? Ford sells car to Israel, they are responsible for the innocent Palestinians being killed? But Chevrolet is not? What in the actual mental cart wheel BS....

 

Biden has now cut Israel off and the knees and is embargoing the arms that Congress appropriated to the Hamas Israel conflict. Biden has now joined the Hamas supporters college campuses.

Any Jewish person who votes for Biden, who wants Israel to survive, is sorely misinformed about who the Jewish people's friends are. Biden has gone into the Hamas camp about his much as he can without putting on a headband and joining the progesters.

You know Biden has gone too far when Representative Omar is applauding his policies.

 

Protests exert pressure by shame and/or disruption towards a demand. These students are putting pressure on their schools to divest any and all investment by the schools into Israel and especially the arms industries sending weapons to Israel. And these students are putting pressure on Biden to clamp down on Netenyahu, and make US government funding of the Israeli war effort contingent on using the US funds and weapons ethically. Both the schools and Biden are conceivably swayable.

How would a protest in the USA against Hamas exert any pressure whatsoever on Hamas? Hamas isn't swayable. The protest would be pointless.

Not necessarily, no. Any pressure on Israel by cutting investment in any way to Israel is pressure. Anything Israel doesn't want is pressure on Israel.

It wasn't my hypothetical. It was yours. You asked why aren't they doing something. I told you why they aren't doing that, and asked you why you think they would be.

It isn't my perspective. I am not one of the students protesting. But I do see their reasoning behind it and how they are seeking to exert pressure for their goal.

If that's true, and I don't now if it is for all the schools, then the schools should simply show that and state that they will give in the protestors' demands not fund weapons research or manufacturing bound for Israel, etc, which is easy if they aren' doing it anwyay.

They have not done this. Instead they try to make baseless claims that the protests are actually all about antisemitism, despite many of the students being Jewish themselves. That is an attempt to divert attention away from the protestors' objections to what Israel (which is not synonymous with Judaism) is doing in Gaza.

Also, divestment isn't the sole purpose of many of all of these protests on campuses. It is unclear if they would stop with divesment. Some would, some may not.

Many of these protests, on and off campuses, across the western world, are also meant to exert pressure on government to make military aid to Israel contingent on Israel acting ethically with the weapons and money provided. It is an election year for Biden. And if the post directly above this one is true, then their pressure on him may be working.

Some of it is, yes. But the vast majority of it isn't. The vast majority of it is sympathy for the innocent kids in Palestine being killed by Nettenyahu's regime. And a large percentage of those protesting are Jewish.

Dressing it all up as antisemitism, and trying to pretend that Israel is synonmyous with Judaism (it isn't) is a transparent attempt to divert attention and criticism away from what the Nettenyahu regime is doing.

Again, what do you expect a protest against Hamas terrorism to accomplish? Who would it be exerting pressure on and to what end? Hamas isn't listening. Hamas doesn't care. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The schools and US govenment have already spoken against Hamas and do not invest in, fund or arm Hamas.

 

But when asked whats schools are funding arms, nobody has been able to answer.

Thus my question.

Overview and the U.S. Funding Pause - CRS Reports

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECBsQBg&usg=AOvVaw2LnymF1mKU6WYbqAsX-Hp0

Uh oh.

Careful here. Your entire defense of your one sided perspective is about to go down in a massive blaze of hypocrisy.

Ah. So it isn't actually about the Palestinians getting killed, it's about trying to screw the jews. The casualties are just a tool for the real objective.

See, as you start to attempt to defend, your perspectives fall apart and the true motivations get exposed.

Yeah, because your logic isn't logic'ing.

We gave millions of dollars to Hammas who spent it on weapons to attack Israel.

Not a single ****ing peep out of your people.

Their reasoning is thinly veiled antisemitism from a completely hypocritical perspective.

They are clearly antisemitic or ignorant. One or the other, but they are absolutley hypocrites.

Ahh. But no such demand or protest of the use of humanitarian aid for terrorism perpetuated by Hammas.

I wonder what else their motivation could be?

I remember being an ignorant idealistic college student too, manipulating facts to serve an agenda... but then I grew up.

Defending his country against a bunch of knuckle dragging barbaric terrorist who can't share.

Justified.

I provided the link.

I have to assume you weren't aware the amount of money we sent to Hammas controlled Gaza in the form of aid, ignorant like these stupid college kids?

 

We'll need a thorough investigation of what Biden is doing after he leaves office. Most of it only makes sense if he is bought.

WHY IS BIDEN WORKING SO HARD TO SAVE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION? Biden Commits To Saving Hamas, Will Cut Off Offensive Weapons To Israel If It Enters Rafah. 'Does he want “forever wars” in Ukraine and Gaza? And if so, why?'

 

I don't know.
The students have come under the belief that their schools are doing so. If the schools are not doing so, then it would a pretty obvious move to show that to the students and to the media, don't you think?

I said no such thing. Why are you imagining that I did? This seems to be what you need to convince yourself in order to not care about the palestinian kids being blow to bits.
There likely are some antisemites amongst the students, and there are likely a bunch of them only in it for virtue signalling and getting pats on the back, but the motivation for most of them is obviously the suffering of the Palestinians.

As far as I'm aware neither these schools nor your government are currently sending arms or money to Hamas. If they are, then yes, that would be something to protest.
And these students are your people, not mine. Your need to associate me with them is quite odd.

I see little evidence for this claim of yours, but you seem to be very invested in making yourself believe it.

What is that even supposed to mean? What are you envisioning them protesting here and to who? How many times must you be asked this question before you answer it?
Are you saying they should be demanding that all aid to Palestinians should stop and the Gazans should simply die because Hamas occasionally intercepts and steals the aid?

You clearly don't wonder that. You have clearly convinced yourself that they are all anti-semites, even the many jewish protestors who say what Netenyahu is doing is anti-jewish.

 

Israel has plenty of weapons already. Do you think Israel will struggle, even a little, against Hamas absent even more weapons being sent to them by the USA? If not, then why would you imagine Biden is saving Hamas?

 

Nobody is obligated to defend themselves against accusations. It's the responsibility of the accuser to prove it.

Protesting an objection to defend one's self against any accusation is some GenZ and Millenial bullshit. That isn't how it works.

Either come with facts, or they need to sit down and shut up.

You don't get to defend something while simultaneously distancing yourself from thr same thing. That isn't how this works.

Me criticizing the students, and those that defend them, because the entirety of the basis of their protest is BS and hypocritical doesn't mean I support innocent deaths. That's some bullshit fallacy right there.

But I do have a fact for you. None of those deaths would have occurred if Hamas didn't attack Israel. Agreed?

That so far, me and you have determined is not known to be resultant from the Universities, wouldn't have happened if Hamas wasn't doing terrorist things, and the two state solution was accepted by Palestinians designation representatives. Right?

You're defending them.

Either defend them fully, or don't.

I have already posted the link to Congress showing humanitarian aid used by Hammas to buy weapons that were used to kill Israelies.

You just don't like the relevancy, so you play games.

How many times are you going to play ignorant to avoid facts?

Occasionally intercept? WTF?

Hamas is the elected government if Palestinians, and it isn't "sometimes", it's all the time. They haven't built a hospital or school in 5 years, but they have terrorist tunnels constructed running under them to serve their hostile ambitions.

And... you still have been completely and 100% unable to defend them with any form of logic based on facts.