Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

Of course I have. You claimed science had proven something. Science doesn’t work that way. You are lecturing others about a thing you don’t understand.

 

Okay, I see what you’re saying. They have invested heavily in alternative energy, then. But they still emit about 30% of all human CO2-emissions at about 12 Gts in the year 2020 (I believe total human emissions amount to 40 Gts) which has increased from their emissions of 3 Gts in the year 2000. So, between 2000 and 2020 their emissions increased by 300%. That doesn’t strike me as a country that’s overly concerned.

 

But Antarctica as a whole is gaining ice at a rate of +1.3% per decade (see the fancy chart below). If you could prove that the warming from human CO2-emissions is actually causing the ice decrease in Greenland and the Arctic, you would have a case. But I don’t think you can. What is you main reasoning for believing that our emissions are causing the decrease in ice? Like... why do you believe, aside from a correlation, that our emissions are driving global warming? You must have some more reasoning behind it aside from a correlation and blind faith in ‘experts’.

 

And most of their power still comes from coal.

Are the investing in things like solar, yes. But as a gap source, not their main source of power. And they simply can not rely upon hydro power at all. Because for some reason, China is still having dams collapse all the time.

https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2021/07/20/hulunbuir-1/

 

Doesn't change the fact that the CO2 emissions of Chinese are less than half the CO2 emissions of North Americans. And the CO2 emissions of North Americans are more than eight times those of Indians.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

 

You understand what "per capita" means? It means China is pumping way more CO2 in the the atmosphere. AGW words on actual quantity not "per capita"

 

IOW North Americans are producing over double the CO2 of Chinese and over eight times the CO2 of Indians. QED

 

How is it if you refer it per 1000 $ of the GDP ?

 

Doesn't change the fact that North Americans are producing over double the CO2 of Chinese and over eight times the CO2 of Indians.

 

Doesnt change the fact that the CO2 emmissions of the US is much lower than these of e.g. India, when you refer it to the goods it produces for the world market. So, if you lower it in the US and transfer industry and manufacturing to China or India you increase the emmissions.

 

Doesn't change the fact that China is the world's leader in electricity production from renewable energy sources.

 

They want to completely ignore actual hard number, and like always manipulate the data so it comes out how they want to see it.

"Per capita" is one of the biggest ones they love to use, but only when it makes their claims look good.

 

The hard number is North Americans produce over twice the CO2 that Chinese produce, and over eight times the CO2 that Indians produce.

 

The ratio of CO2 emissions to unit of GDP in China is about 0.5. In the US it’s about 0.2.

China emits about 11.4 Gt CO2 annually while the US emits about 6.3 Gt.

Per capita emissions of CO2 are about 15 tons in the US and about 8 tons in China.

Total emissions from the US are decreasing. Total emissions from China are increasing.

Fortunately, AGW is driven not by total atmospheric CO2, but by per capita emissions.

 

. Not even close. Comparing CO2 production on. a per capita basis is fake. The climate reacts to total CO2 not how many people live within the geographic division they live in.

 

I have consistently said, that like you, I am nothing but a social media typist when it comes to Climate Change. It is not my area of expertise. Climatologists are the experts, not social media posters.

 

Doesn't change the fact that North Americans are producing double the CO2 of Germans and Chinese, and over eight times the CO2 of Indians.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart

 

Do you understand what "per capita" means? Look it up. Here I did it for you

 

Do you understand what "per capita" means? Look it up. Here I did it for you.

IOW North Americans are producing double the CO2 of Germans and Chinese and over eight times the CO2 of Indians.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart

 

Do you understand per capita CO2 means squat; TOTAL CO2 for entire country is what affects AGW carbon.

 

All irrelevant to my post. You have claimed climatologists have done a thing that is not possible to do. You have claimed science has done a thing it can’t do.

I’m no social media typist when it comes to climate change. That’s why I’m always correcting your errors. I have actual knowledge of the subject from formal education as well as practical experience in many aspects of climate. Just because you lack education and expertise doesn’t mean everyone you may come into contact with is also lacking knowledge and experience.

But that’s irrelevant. You are advocating for appeal to authority. That’s a fallacy. We are to base our actions and posts on EVIDENCE, not appeal to authority.

You will notice I don’t make claims. I’m not a typist. I simply present EVIDENCE produced through application of the scientific method. I educate you and others by showing you EVIDENCE. I also have to educate you and others on occasion about what science is and can do.

Science does not prove anything. It can’t. It provides us with EVIDENCE we can choose to accept or reject. We can not claim to follow science and at the same time reject evidence while appealing to authority. That’s not science. It’s quite the opposite.

You are certainly welcome to post your unsubstantiated opinions about climate and what science is. But your opinions have no value. Only evidence has value. Appealing to any authority has no value. Only evidence has value.

We are not alike. You appeal to authority. I subscribe to EVIDENCE produced through application of the scientific method. You don’t know what “science” does. I do. You have knowledge of electrical engineering. I have formal education pertaining to many biological aspects of climate and climate change as well as decades of experience studying and leveraging climate change for financial gain and increased production of food and consumer goods. You repeat what you read from journalists. I post peer reviewed studies and verifiable facts.

You may be just a social media typist. I am not. If you read and accept the evidence I post you can be more than a typist as well. You can learn about climate and climate change same as anyone else. You don’t have to let others do your thinking for you. When you advocate for letting others do your thinking for you, you are actually rejecting science and reason and reverting to a mindset of those in the Dark Ages. Embrace the Enlightenment. Don’t help turn science into an analog of the pre enlightenment Church of Rome.

 

Do you understand what per capita CO2 means?
TOTAL CO2 for the whole world is what affects AGW Carbon.

IOW North Americans are producing double the CO2 of Germans and Chinese and Europeans and over eight times the CO2 of Indians,
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart

 

What is your area of climate expertise?

 

Effects of climate on agriculture in temperate climate. To a lesser extent the effects of biological systems on climate.

 

Some North Americans are producing half per capita what China produces.
Some North Americans are producing half the total CO2 of what China produces.

Global CO2 emissions continue to climb no matter how you slice and dice the stats.