What the hell is the Greek People's Problem?

Social democracy is the only thing that is working, nowadays. What is an utter failure is the neoliberalism that was started in the Occidental world by Reagan.

This capitalism model is more wealth for a few, and more poorness for the rest. And many other things, like countries with more debt, so with less sovereignity. We are living the capital dictatorship.

And about socialdemocracy, you forgot New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Switzerland, ooops. It looks that the most succesfull countries are the most socialdemocrats and democratics, too. Ffuuu.

 

How did Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and Oprah get so rich though??

 

Umm it's been like that for a while. I doubt anyone will change (*)(*)(*)(*) but if that's what you believe...

 

It was that way prior, as well.

 

Oprah? LOL She won the lottery.
So you are judging success by a very small minority.

 

The United States of America economic system was changed in the past 100yrs to reflect that of a inbetween of Capitialism and Socialism. We call that Keynesian Economics which in turn allowed for massive spending to be okay and Nationalization of Industry not through ownership but, through bailouts to exist. What you're seeing in America isn't Capitailism at all because this country bails out businesses, taxes too much, places tariffs on goods, and over regulates the markerplace.

 

no, it's rising to 90%+ under Obama.

facts are facts.

 

They have the same sense of entitlement and spend way more than they make and get paid way more than they are worth. Just like the USA people. Only thing different is the Greeks are not as fat.

 

They flee the failed ideology of their homeland.

Then they want to bring that ideology here.

What can you call them but human trash?

 

how many Microsoft millionaires are there??

They prove that with the right idea, and the effort...you can achieve what you want.

and you just dismiss that and demand their money should be given to you!??

 

It's been rising before Obama... It would have reached 90% under McCain as well.

 

Ok. Now compare how many people AREN'T millionaires to those that are. I don't care for money.

 

Stealing? Mainly Bill Gates, and also Bill Gates already comes from a rich family. And what do you mean? To become rich you need to use dirty tricks. It is a fact. But you must have luck to become rich. And whatever you say, only a small percentage of people become rich.

The important is to have a big medium class, not a rich class. It is your problem. To become rich, is necessary to exist poor people.

Really don't you get it? Neoliberalism is an illusionary ideology where keeps the worker in the believe that some day he will be able to become rich. But that is very far from reality.

 

I love the joke about the poor man being able to get rich by hard work alone.

 

It's one of the foundations of American mythology.

 

this isn't would've could've World.

This is reality.

And it's rising to 90%+ under Obama's leadership.

 

Ok. So what does this have to do with Greece?

 

Foreigners think that's what Americans believe but we don't. Every American knows you don't get rich working for someone else.

Hard work and an IDEA.

You have to have an IDEA!!

People keep leaving that out.

Hard work isn't enough and every American knows it, to get rich you have to have an idea and sell that idea to everyone who will buy it.

Bill Gates is rich because he had an idea.

Mark Zuckerburg is rich because he had an idea.

8 out of 10 rich Americans are rich becuase they had an idea, and combined that idea with hard work and sold it.

If you don't have ideas? Too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bad, you're never going to get rich working for someone else.

 

No, Keynesian Economics is capitalism. And capitalism in pure form, is the most destructive economic system that can exist. Sorry, but you can see it, just with a semi-deregulated system how USA is getting more poverty, and if you deregulate more, so you leave it more in the hands of the laissez-faire more spread of poverty you will have.

Have I to remember you Reagan? Have i to remember you Thatcher, Bolivia in the 80s, Argentina, Chile, Brasil, Uruguay, Indonesia in the 70s? That is the result of the neoliberalism coming from the Chicago School.

Study the history, heck. Look at the history, learn from it. And why the heck do you ask to repeat the saime mistakes? Didn't you have enough with bring to ruin that countries? Do you want to bring to ruin all the countries of the World?

 

Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburg got rich off sunrise industries - furthermore, such individuals exceptional in the exact sense of the word. 8 out of 10 may have been rich because of "ideas" but said 10 comprises only a very small fraction of the population. For the vast majority of people the "rags to riches" myth is just that.

The myth isn't detrimental in of itself, however it is used to justify foolishness and to keep people believing that rewarding the rich even further is good for society as a whole.

 

So 8 of 10 rich Americans don't work for someone else and are creative innovators... I don't even think your Quorum buddies will agree with that one.

 

Your logic would have some merit if America was full of a handful of Billionaires...and the rest of the 299 million people were dirt poor.

but we both know that ain't the reality.

In America, people do very well for themselves without the need or even desire to amass billions.

 

Given that a mere ten percent of the population control eighty to ninety percent of the wealth, and the top percent controls nearly half of the total wealth, it might as well be. America's wealth distribution is hideously unequal at the moment given that drivers of social mobility are either underfunded, botched, or nonexistent.

 

There is no "driver of social mobility" that Government can encourage that wouldn't reduce social mobility of someone else a little higher up on the financial food chain, except education but Teacher's unions have reduced that to a political game as well.

 

Tripe - education, for instance, is a key driver of social mobility. Progressive taxation also encourages it. And no, such taxation does not remove social mobility as those who pay the most are already at the top echelon.