Proof that Illegals Are Not Taking Jobs From Americans...

It used to be that an uneducated person could find a decent job to support his family. I know of a mechanic who earned 72 US dollars per hour in 1970. That is more than some CEO's earn today when adjusted for inflation. Today, many mechanics are working for only 15 dollars per hour!

Here is what a shop owner in North Carolina wrote in another forum:
"My Senior Technicians and Shop Managers make roughly $35000 to $40000 per year, and they get an additional profit share at the end of the year. That profit share bonus is usually between $3000 and $4500 each year. My regular mechanics make about $25000 per year."

That is not enough to buy a house, and it would be difficult to for the man to support his family on that type of salary.

It used to be that doctors could afford big mansions. Now, after all those years in school and all that student debt, they can only manage to live a middle class life. Physician wages have been drastically falling in the last two decades. It has been calculated that 100,000 per year for a physician correllates to only 40,000 for someone with only a highschool graduate when all the extra time and effort, delayed earnings, and cumulative interest, are factored in. That is to say that a physician earning 100,000 will not be able to afford a better house at age 40 than someone who continuously worked after graduating from high school earning 40,000 per year, working 70 hours per week.

Those big salaries you read about doctors making are only because they studies 65+ hours a week in school and residency, than 60-70 hours a week in their practice.

 

You were the one who stated that if you paid a higher wage,your price for crops would go up and people would not buy them. I plainly stated that using cheaper labor (like illegals)the price for a head of lettuce has not declined. Cheaper labor=cheaper prices is not true.

I understand that company's only need a person here one day and 5 the next and none the next.

 

Right on spot. And many wonder why Medicaid can't sub-stain its self.

 

People making less than $10hr is pretty common today.

Using the excuse of lack of education or experience is not viable today. There has been so many jobs lost in technology's today that many have taken jobs at walmart and McDonald's because of that job no longer exist or is in very limited numbers.One example of this is the aeronautical (building aircraft) industry.

You say why don't people demand higher wages? I can't believe you even said that...fail. With the job market the way it is today,you take what you get,because if you demand a raise you will most likely be let go. At one time 10 years ago or so that was not the problem. I remember doing construction (drywall,carpentry etc). I made $14hr with all kinds of benefits to boot in the late 80s when I was in my late teens early 20s..Today those jobs are taken by cheap illegals working for $9 or $10 hr on welfare and Medicaid

I have to correct your MYTH about illegal only doing the worst jobs. For one who did those jobs before the illegals? Illegals have been busted at factory's that produce highly technical and highly educated jobs.There not just picking your crops...

 

Because ILLEGAL ALIENS pay no taxes. They can work for far less per hour and still net more take home earnings than an American.

Oh and they get to use all the services that they don't pay for since they don't pay taxes. Not to mention they are able to receive government assistance since they have no identifiable income.

 

You are correct about illegals getting welfare. I couple of people I know just went to get food stamps because both were either laid off or had the wage/hours cut. People told them to tell the food stamp office they have no income.With no identifiable income they got the full amount allowed of $350 a month and were told they would qualify for other welfare from health care to a free cell phone.Why even work any more? Do as the Mexicans do and get a paid (cash under the table)job.

 

Those who hire illegals should face crushing penalties, confiscation of property, and public disdain. They are inhumane and unAmerican.

 

When my costs go up, and I can no longer justify the higher costs relative to profits, I must either raise my prices or close the doors.

As retail prices increase, this directly effects consumption...driving consumption down.

"Cheaper labor=cheaper prices is not true." This is really absurd?? Think of it this way; Current labor costs equal current retail prices...if labor or other costs increase, the retail price will increase. If the retail price cannot increase, this forces companies out of business and/or more cheaper imports.

 

If you can't do your business legally, your doors should be closed for you.

 

It is really amazing what some of you dream up??

If you waved your magic wand this very second and made every illegal a legal American, because of the typically lower wages earned, there would not be a single penny more of taxes paid other than some FICA. Many illegals already pay state/federal taxes and FICA although some don't pay FICA. But unless they become citizens they also don't get to collect anything from SS or Medicare so why worry? And if all these illegals were citizens and filed income taxes, not only would they not pay federal taxes, but they might also receive money from the government because of tax policy.

Anyone earning lower wages, whether they are legal or not, are eligible for certain types of welfare...even more so for Americans!

 

Your statement is juvenile at best and at worse is ignorant...

 

Spoken with true ignorance about the complexity and realities of illegal immigration...

 

It's really pretty straightforward: DON'T CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS ILLEGALLY. Greed, sloth, and incompetence are no excuses. Only unAmerican, immoral, exploitative (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s would try to justify illegal hiring practices that harm the vulnerable and weaken the nation.

 

You should stop while you're behind; Your comments are spoken with true ignorance about the complexity and realities of illegal immigration...

 

Oh, ok. Next time I get stopped for speeding I'll just tell the officer, "it's complex," and I'm sure he'll let me off.


Absurd illogic and unAmerican immorality for the sake of squeezing another buck out of the vulnerable while weakening our nation? Unforgiveable.

 

You're wrong about ""Current labor costs equal current retail prices"". Take China for exsample,they have cheap labor but the price of fuel,homes,and goods don't reflect that.

As I have said repeatedly and must be going over your head. Farmers use illegals for there crops(thats what pro-immigration groups are saying )to help keep the cost down for consumers,but yet when is the last time I saved a dime on a head of lettuce.

 

WOW...talking about massive myths here...

You're saying that illegals pay more in than they receive thats not true. We will work with small numbers here to prove you wrong,although the real numbers are astronomical.

Pregnant Maria Gomez from Mexico swims across the river from Mexico to the US just a day or two from giving birth to her baby. See walks in to the local hospital as a person with an emergency. Of course its an a emergency she giving birth. Now pay attention here. If she is lucky and gives a healthy birth to the baby it will cost about $9000 to $17000. If she has complications which is very likely it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. See the link.

http://www.costhelper.com/cost/child/baby-delivery.html

At that moment that mother has created a debit that she don't have the money for and most likely will never pay back. And thats only the birth part. She and her baby are now helped (by tax payer money)for the babies needs (food,diapers,health care,education)and the mother (who will bring here entire ingrate family to the US) will receive at tax payer cost food,utility's,housing,and to much to keep on about.

This is for only one! Multiply that by thousands every year.

Were talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in a short period of time. And all for some unskilled low paid worker who will never pay it back in taxes.

 

The true is very hard to swallow...

 

Problem with folks like you are you hide behind pro-immigration radicals like La Raza...who say only what pro-immigration can say...MYTHS!

 

Those who think that people should only be allowed to work if they have express permission from a government bureaucrat are anti-American, anti-liberty, and misogynists who are no better than any other totalitarians in history.

 

You should blame the government and it's various legislative which make that head of lettuce prohibitively expensive to produce and get to your table. But hey, it's easier to blame a brown person who works for a pittance and demand that your masters in Washington do something about all those brown people working without a proper permission slip issued by a tax feeder. It's also easier to blame the farmer for *daring* to hire someone that crossed a tax jurisdiction without notifying your betters and having his papers in order.

 

People in this country legally should be able to work where they can and for however much they find their labor worth in a free market. People not here legally only distort the market and undermine legal workers while exposing themselves to danger and exploitation. They may be free to find work back in their country of origin. Employers who hire illegals; due to greed, corruption, incompetence, or darker purposes should be punished severely.

 

You seem obsessed with skin color. That sure sounds like...


...and you sure don't seem to care about their exploitation or the unfair disadvantage your attitude would put legal workers at. Your overriding goal seems to be playing the apologist for all manner of law breakers without concern for the consequences.