Many Democrats Are Balking at Obamas Jobs Bill. Is Obama stuck on stupid?

Obama is stuck on stupid when it comes to his "big government" solutions to our festering economic problems.

Obama actually believe his new Pass My Jobs Bill bill would actually create 1.9 million new jobs! Unfortumately, Obama has never learned that Big Government more often than not leaves everything else smaller.

"I had assumed carelessly that this must be a world record in terms of taxpayer subsidy per fraudulent “green job.” But it turns out those cheapskate Spaniards with their lousy nickel-and-dime “green jobs” subsidy just weren’t thinking big. The Obama administration’s $38.6 billion “clean technology” program was supposed to “create or save” 65,000 jobs. Half the money has been spent – $17.2 billion – and we have 3,545 jobs to show for it. That works out to an impressive $4,851,904.09 per “green job.” A world record! Take that, you loser Spaniards! USA! USA!"

And the liberals in this group try and tell us Obama has a great understanding of the applications of investment capital and how to get our economy moving in the right direction again!

"Republicans have focused their attack on the tax increases that would help pay for the spending components of the bill. But Democrats, as is their wont, are divided over their objections, which stem from Mr. Obama’s sinking popularity in polls, parochial concerns and the party’s chronic inability to unite around a legislative initiative, even in the face of Republican opposition."

 

Quick answer..

Yes, yes he is..

 

Not all Democrats are leftists and socialist. Some actually hope to be fiscally responsible. I think the leftward shift of Democrats has come to an end and we'll see more and more moving to the right. Elections do have consequences, yes, indeedy.

 

I agree, PatrickT.

In the past, conservative Democrats have been afraid to speak out. When they did speak out they were often intimidated by the radical Left, accused of disloyalty and then crushed like a bug for expressing their views!

Obama has demonstrated once and for all being a liberal Democrat is no longer fashionable. Today it is more fashionable to be a wise, thoughtful conservative Democrat!

 

In some ways it is not really Obama's fault. While I do not agree with most of his policies... I can understand why he keeps throwing money for "jobs programs". And it has nothing to do with him being a democrat, I am certain the Reps would do the same thing. Let me explain what I mean...

To anyone that really studies what the govt is, what it does, how it opererates etc., then certain things become very clear in short order. The govt creates absolutely NOTHING! Because they create nothing, it means they can just shift money (collected via taxes) around. Or... they can consume money. But they cannot add value to anything. When a company builds furniture.... they take in raw wood, metal, felt... and with skilled labor, makes chairs, couches, etc. The price of the raw materials in the chair did not go up, but the skill and labor of the company, now makes it more valuable as a chair, than as a pile of raw components. And so the chair is sold for a profit, and wealth is created.

The govt cannot do this. The govt does not create jobs that create anything. The money used to create those "jobs" comes out of the same economy in the first place. So if 100 people give the govt $1000. And then the govt turns around and pays someone a salary (a job) with the money collected.... did that add value or create any new wealth? No!!!! It just moved the money around essentially.

So getting back to my original point... the govt CANNOT create jobs! They can shift money around, but that is not the same at all. Most people do not understand this... and the politicians want to get re-elected, so they will tell people this fairy tale in the hopes of getting re-elected.

 

I don't think Obama is really serious about this bill. It's just a campaign stunt.

Otherwise he wouldn't have said that it would be funded by the super-committee cuts on day then with tax increases the next.

I think the House Republicans should pass his bill, financed by half a trillion in new spending cuts. Let the Senate sit on it or if through some miracle pass it, let Obama veto his own bill.

It would serve him right.

 

They remember what happened to the House Democrats that lock stepped with Pelosi in 2010.

 

This is incorrect.

 

Its been working well for Texas, so why shouldn't it work for the country?

 

Washington post partisan hack paper.

That dude probably had to crawl out from under Obama's desk to write that article..

 

It appears the thread's author has been banned, though I don't know why. He's about the most unabrasive participant on this forum. I hope it's just temporary.

 

Obama is stuck on desperation!

Obama is using class warfare to divide the masses and pander to the supposed have-nots.

This type of leadership, or lack of leadership, is extremely detrimental to the USA...

 

Election stunt or not, it's more substantive than anything the Republicans are doing on the issue, which is absolutely nothing.

 

Anyone who believes the non-performance of presidents and Congress lies with one political party...they are greatly disillusioned! Every single member of Congress and the president are to blame for our current situation today! And the voters who are too stupid to elect fully qualified representatives are the root cause of all problems...just keep voting along party lines and nothing will ever change...

 

Nothing will change as long as the majority of the population on both sides of the political spectrum continues to elect party before country politicians, and people with half a brain. Every single politician, and presidential candidate puts party before country, and are not well-versed in economics, philosophy, government, law, foriegn affairs, history, current events, math, and science. To be a truly disinterested policy-maker that appeals to as many "factions" for the public good, you must be enlightened beyond normal standards. The last time we had truly enlightened politicians was during the Jefferson administration. We have had politicians with enlightened brain trusts (FDR, etc.), but the last few generations of Americans have never seen a brain trust politician. Unfortunately, most of these people choose to enter the private sector, or they are one-term politicians.

 

Liar, liar, pants on fire. We have a flat tire and a fiat mire.

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Since all government problems are worsening, and our president and representatives are in over their heads, and the electorate seems incapable of electing better qualified candidates, how are we to find some satisfaction in knowing things can actually get better?

If the current US government was a corporation, and an outsider was brought in to fix the corporation, heads would be rolling, spending would be greatly restricted, redundancy and waste would be removed, a top-down restructuring would be done, and the fixer would apologize to the customers for failing them...

 

Most peeps I seen banned are hard core trolls or using a proxy.

Mods do a pretty good job here of letting debate happen

 

Very good, NetworkCitizen!

Thanks for sharing!

 

The problem is none of Obama's closest advisors have ever run a business and they know nothing about how to jump start the economy.

Obama was nothing more than a community organizer.

What else should we expect from a team like this?

Here are the only people who now have his "ear". Ha-Ha!



Tim Geithner, Obama and Joe Biden!

 

Thanks, saintmichaeldefendthem.

I'm back now.

Thanks for the vote of support.

you are correct. I do my best not to abrasive.

By the way, I was "banned" because I use one political cartoon too many times.

Mea culpa! ... Mea culpa!

 

If I may be of help.

2 people spending one person's money does not help the economy.

 

You have made some very good points, armor99.

What most liberals in this group do not realize is as more and more people are employed in the public sector, to pay for them, we have to raise state and federal taxes on the good people who work in the private sector.

A policy of increasing employment in the public sector produces an endless spiral which takes money out of the economy to pay for the salary and benefits of these new government workers which then leads to less consumer spending by the private sector and a significant increase in our national unemployment rate.

Also, what most people don't realize is, for every Government job that is "created" the private sector must create at least NINE jobs to pay for it.

Here is how the math works. Taxes from each private sector worker go to pay at most 11% of the Government worker's salary and benefits. Therefore, it will take NINE private sector workers (100% divided by 11%) to pay for the salary and benefits of each NEW government worker.

The solution to this problem is obvious; we need to employ as few government workers as is economically and reasonably possible.

 

Could be stupidity left over from the Bush administration re-infecting the current occupants. Good point.

 

So Bush was a carrier and odrama is too stupid to not catch stupidity too? Whatever, in the final analysis, Bush is gone and odrama is the worst president in history. Does it matter if he caught his buffoonery from Bush? He has it and the nation suffers under odramas glaring incompetence. Turns out his promised CHANGE, is for the worse.