Good Grief, a 7 year old transgender with transgender "dad"

Boy how sad is it you have seen ZERO scientific basis of this "expert" and you simply trust this anonymous person without evidence to support it. This is liberal faith at its worst.

 

I'm still confused on exactly what consitutes an "Expert" in this field at all. I take that title with an entire shaker of salt. It's an 18 month old child, they don't know what the heck they are saying.

Seems to me this is an example of nurturing, which those who support this kind of choice don't want to acknowledge. Things like this chip away at the genetic agenda they would rather have, and cast doubts in regards to the safety and well being of Gay adoptions as well.

Transgender "dad" steered the child this way IMO.

 

LOL, the irony of this whole deal is after this kid grows up ostracized by her entire peer group, and then turns around and if she decides she's straight she'll have to suck it up and have the courage to stand before her crazy mother and take a deep breath and say..

"Dad.. I'm straight."

LMAO

 

This is a good question, and I believe it deserves an answer.
What I want to save the child from is indoctrination of gender confusion.

Like sec said about his grand daughter. My 4 year old spends at least an hour a day believing she is a puppy dog... I am not about to surgically implant a tail.

Tim to Kim I find very sad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...m-became-youngest-ever-transsexual-at-12.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orlds-youngest-transsexual-sex-change-op.html

To take a confused kid, and start pumping them full of hormone pills, then getting surgery right after the 16th birthday... it is just a terrible thing to do to a confused kid.

Now he makes (*)(*)(*)(*)ty pop music on youtube.

What happens when a child reaches adulthood and has an "oops" moment like these folks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...Now-hes-getting-married-So-fiancee-crazy.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Bunten_Berry
http://webspace.webring.com/people/qg/girlinside123/torment.html

All of that torment, compounded by tricking the brain and body with chemicals at such a young age...

Yes... I wish to save a child from suffering the confusion, and frankly abuse.

 

really? would that be 18 months? 20 months? 24 months

so, you don't thinkn that being around "dad" has influenced te behavior of the child?

why is that? Is the agenda so strong that you can no longer see right from wrong?

pay attention to the disgusted posters in this thread. Every one of them says "dad" should do as he/she feels and God bless him/her

but, son/daughter needs to be given a chance and the exposure to "dad" is not the best way. Do I need to post the Folsom fair pictures again with what 2 and 3 year olds were wearing what was wagging in front of their faces????

Does your agenda also think that is healthy?

if you are a guy, and want to dress as a woman, and go have sex with another guy then go for it. But don't force a child to do that or think it's what the majority of society does


still, not one homosexual defender of the child

 

http://www.campquest.org/

http://www.kidscamps.com/religious_camps/atheist.html

"An atheist camp was designed for children of parents who hold a more naturalistic view of the world."

Did your parents send YOU there? Stick a fork in yourself...you're DONE...Ha Ha

Teaching atheism and sending kids to brainwashing camps are two different things...

Really? Then why are scientists still studying and asking questions about the universe? Maybe you should tell everyone just how the universe works...Apparently you're the only one who knows...

 

What expert, show proof there are any experts besides the he/she's word on it. Where is the link showing this expert and their credentials?

 

there is no need

who would give any credibility to it? The kid has been exposed to an unhealthy situation and knows no better

 

Okay, Sec, I'm new around here, but I am bisexual, and I stand for the child. I don't believe, as people have already said at length, that an 18-month-old kid has the intellectual skills to decide what sex (s)he ought to be. He or she doesn't even know what a boy or girl is in anything but the most rudimentary way.

I would never have authorized such a radical change, or made such a radical diagnosis.

You have been trying to get some "homosexual defender of the child" to speak up. Well, here I am, though I am only the "B" of LGBT, and I have run into homosexuals who do not believe that it's even possible to BE bisexual. I have been called a "filthy breeder" by one of them because I have loved women and even fathered a child with one.

However, at least one poster in this thread is correct when he says that trans-gender is not "a homosexual issue." The only way that the "T" of LGBT belongs there at all is that as with homosexuals, many "straight" people tend to be prejudiced against trans-gendered people. The majority of people are afraid of things or concepts that they do not know about, and when such people hold the levers of political power, they often try to suppress or do away with that which they fear.

I gather from your posts such as I have so far read that you dislike or are prejudiced against homosexuals or homosexuality. You apparently fear some sort of "homosexual agenda."

And NO ONE-- not liberals, not conservatives, not straights, not gays, not the original article, not any poster here except myself-- has wondered out loud about the actual FATHER in this case. The person that impregnated this former woman when she was 21. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT FATHER?? What does he have to say about his 7-year-old daughter wanting to be a boy? Is the father dead, is that why he isn't mentioned? How about any extended family?

I mean, people marry and divorce-- I've done it, a couple of times-- but I can not assume that a single-parent situation, when the parent is spending most of uh, his time adjusting to his sexual orientation, can be the most salutary growing-up.

Like everyone else, YOU haven't asked these questions, Sec. And until SOMEBODY besides me wonders out loud about this aspect of this case (I acknowledge that I've only read about 100 posts or so out of the 280-odd total), I would suggest that this thread is merely an exercise in sensationalism and veiled prejudice.

William P. Homans

 

I believe she was talking about the "expert" for the youngest ever to undergo "genetic reassignment" surgery... the Tim to Kim Petras story I linked earlier.

That expert would be a psychologist (not a doctor, not a psychiatrist, a psychologist).

The only one on the planet that believes that 12 is a good age to start taking hormone pills to prep for surgery in another country that will allow that procedure to happen under 18.

The "experts" have spoken, and there is a reason that Petras is the only one on the planet to undergo this.

This coupled with Petras' insatiable appetite for attention, the scads of youtube performances... which, again, are devoid of talent... and countless media appearances in just about every country... I am willing to say that this "expert" is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing loon.

I can have my psychologist/psychiatrist friends who are recognized in federal court as experts come in here and explain to you why this is gross negligence. But... they tend to address reality in terms that will likely get them banned in short order...

But say the word, and I will get them here.

Overproduced vapid tripe. Look at MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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I appreciate your input.

The fathers invisibility has been brought up btw.

I don't care in the least what people do in their bedroom. I will admit prejudice when it comes to kids, gay adoption, trans-gender confusion... the whole ball of wax. You may label me prejudiced. I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to people unable to make rational lifelong decisions for themselves.


*I also agree this has nothing to do with sexual preference.

 

Well, good for you to speak up for the child and realizing the idiocy that 18 month olds aren't capable of realizing and speaking about their sexual identity - or what they 'think' they should be...........

As far as the child's biological father goes, you really think the transgender father is going to identify him? Even if S/he did and the bio father cared enuf about the child .... what an ugly mess that would be w/the bio dad and the transgender dad fighting over a 7 yr old girl who was brainwashed to believe she's really a boy. You really think the courts, the way they are, would come down on the side of the bio dad? I doubt it.........

And h/she may not know who the real father is anyway......

And no, this thread was not posted for sensationalism and veiled prejudice. There's enuf people here that do care for kids and how they're treated.........

 

It really sounds like it was more then just one psychologist to me

All the examples you gave transitioned as adults.

Second - and there are few cases of regret

 

Translation: No Psychiatrist in their right mind would OK this, so they kept going until they found someone who WOULD.

I was incorrect in calling him a psychologist. He IS indeed a psychiatrist. Dr Bernd Meyenburg. I took that he was a psychologist from this interview.

4:15 "I have to go to many psychologists and many didn't want to help me... did not want to talk about" "When I finally got to someone who knew about transexuals he said that he's never had such a clear case"

So... again... you keep being told by experts that this is ridiculous until you find ONE that is willing to do it, possibly for the noteriety... go ahead... google his name... tell me how many pages of results you are willing to go through before finding any accomplishment outside of this case... and this is resolved as "the opinion of the experts" to the willing to believe.
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1:18 "I wanted pink dresses, and Barbie... I never really lived as a boy"
Yes. Dresses define sexuality. Dolls. This is a stupid argument to engage with me. I truly hope you will.

Which didn't matter because they went out of country for the surgery. In Germany you cannot have it done under 18.

Yeah... they did... She is the only known child on the planet to have done it, because only an adult is capable of making such a decision... and if these social experiment children change their minds once they are capable of comprehending gender roles, sexuality, and adult relationships... will you decide retroactively that it was abuse?

Worth it to you in your armchair?

What precisely are you willing to risk to promote your cause?

 

also to note most transvestite men keep the genitals because they cannot experience a climax after they are castrated and become very irritable people

this is why many transvestites forego the operation so to let children engage in this act so early is ruination for them since this is permanent.

 

This is the mutilation of a child based on feelings and ZERO scientific backing.

I would jail the cross dressing FREAK mother for allowing it and the crackpot shrink who claimed it was the right thing to do.

They have RUINED this child's life forever.

 

Aren't transvestites the dudes who dress up as women, but keep their own plumbing?

I guess I have more to learn about these alternative lifestyles.....

 

at least there is now one

and there you go with the homophobia or whatever label you want to use. No, I'm actually sickened by this story. I don't give a rats glass what you do in your bedroom. That is your business. It also should be kept private just like my sex life is private.


I am not afraid to point to the whack job of this "dad" as well as the shrink who supports this and call them as I see them. I'm glad you brought up the real biological dad. i've also asked about grandparents and aunts and uncles. Where are any of them?

so, welcome aboard the train of those who see this as being wrong

one more thing, please reduce your font size. I for one am less prone, rather than more prone, to read posts with enlarged fonts

 

I am most certainly square in sec's corner on this, however I don't care about your font size/color. There are a few posters whose posts I cannot crawl through, like foolardi due to its odd choppiness, and that alien guy with the nic that starts with an E because he uses changing font sizes and colors pretty much per letter...

But I have no issue reading yours.


Where ARE the grandparents?

There was an ABC special recently...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/extraordinary-family-inside-transgender-world/story?id=14414656
This was how I learned of Petras.

It hurt my heart to watch this.
I think the full video is avail here
http://abc.go.com/watch/abc-news-specials/SH559036/VD55141481/primetime-nightline-transgender-kids
My internet is too screwed to tell.

Going back to the previous link...

Someone address me with something rational.
Dresses are INHERENTLY feminine. ALL ANIMALS recognize that dolls and dresses belong to the female species.


SOMEONE address me with logic on this. A TODDLER recognizes the importance of dolls and dresses with regards to THEIR IDENTITY as a specific sex.

SOMEONE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING ENGAGE.

Uh huh. Has gender identity issues, and prostitution is a means to an end.

Her "immigrant" background couldn't POSSIBLY contain any boundary issues which explain both her confusion AND her prostitution... right? nahhh...

The regret, I previously linked... we will just pretend doesn't happen. That will make everyone happy...

Oh... and there is Petras again... also in the video I linked earlier knew he was a girl because he liked dresses and dolls.

Does ANYONE see a common (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thread here?

DRESSES AND DOLLS ARE NOT GENETIC, THEY ARE SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS FOR THIS AGE OF CIVILIZATION. THEY DO NOT DEFINE YOUR SEX. THEY ARE CONSTRUCTS.


I dare someone to engage.

Anyone?

 

Please let me bring in my folks, recognized by the United States as experts on the subject.

They are all Atheists.

They all voted for Obama.

Oh please oh please let me bring them in to shred this topic to bits.


Please?

 

Sigmond Frued the pedo was an expert to.

Who are the shrinks that diagnosed him?Who are behind the shrinks and what kind of idealogies do the shrinks have, are they funded by pro homosexual,lbgt groups?Are they jewish shrinks?What was their diagnosis?What conclusions did they come to?

Unless you can answer that as well as the shrinks who had access to muddle up this boys mind then i call marxist brainwashing on this.

As for an 18month knowing what sex he wanted to be is absolutely ludicrous and i would like to know how they come to this insane decision.

Just because you like allow the so called experts who are nothing more than brainwashers to diagnose whatever they feel suitsa their agenda does not make their decision right.

A phsychiatrist is no doctor, do they operate on peoples brains to see how things work?No theyn have their own idealogies on what they think according to cultural marxist dogma.Experts my ass, only a brain dead moron would pay to see a shrink.

 

Dresses & dolls don't mean a thing to a boy who's a toddler - just something to play with...... and same thing w/trucks & cars when the girl is a toddler...

My son was 2 - I remember his age very clearly b/c of where we lived then. He had 2 older sisters, the youngest 2 yrs older than him. He played w/his sister's dolls and other feminine toys a lot. My 4 yr old daughter played w/his cars/trucks........

Sometimes his oldest sister, who was 8, would dress him up in a ruffly dress...just a stage kids go thru.....

I never believed in sterotyping kids, like the boys can only play w/boy toys, girls, girls toys.....what for? No, toddlers at such a young age do NOT recognize dolls, dresses, trucks, cars, etc as being of a specific gender.

That was their toddler yrs and he outgrew playing w/their dolls by the time he was 4. I know by 5, he was into nothing but boy stuff w/his pals. Anyway, he grew up as straight as an arrow and so did my girls......

 

Bring them in, Dude - lol! Why not? I would find it very interesting..... but they better not tell me I was wrong in letting my daughter & son play w/each others toys....lol!

 

"He" is really a "she" wanting to be a boy, according to her dear transgender daddy..........

 

A transvestite is usually a male who enjoys wearing women's clothing, and sometimes makeup. I used to know one years ago. He wore skirts and dresses, and lipstick. I used to avoid him because I thought he was weird, until I actually spoke to him one day, and I realised he was just like everyone else, he just liked to wear girls clothes.