Turkey Threatens to Freeze Relations with EU

But it isn't true.

And even if, the Germans had something they preceived as the "final solution".

 

You declare: 'dont focus too much on the figures, they are just numbers".

Anyone who quotes numbers must substantiate them. Otherwise, do not quote them, because it makes you look stupid and everyone will be sceptical about any numbers you quote in the future. Pretty simple really.

 

"We"? You're not a Western European. You come from a land down under, for God's sake.

And Germans don't always give the Turks work and endless welfare. They sometimes burn the Turks alive there. No joke!

 

Anyone who now lives in Germany, no matter their country of origin, should fly the German flag, and no other.To do otherwise is to be disloyal to the country in which you live and provides you with emplyoment and welfare when required. Otherwise, go back from whence you came and suck the welfare teat of that country!

 

Who said they have no loyalty, they feel German and they are completely loyal, it just that if it comes to a point where they will be forced to fight against their grandmothers, mothers land, read about attacks on other Ali's and Ahmet's then i believe most would retaliate.
Lets think about a scenario where German planes are bombarding Istanbul daily. many Turkish civilians are dying day by day(Istanbul turned into a new Baghdad) at this situation, what do you think Turks in Germany should do? write letters and condemn those actions to the internal ministry of Germany?
most would burn tires and blockade the streets- this is always a possibility and thats why Germany will disagree with Turkey's admittance to EU but will never ever fight against Turkey, they cant risk the internal chaos that will come with it.

 

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'They sometimes burn the Turks alive there. No joke!'

The only thing the Germans give you is endless welfare. That's the real joke!

 

LOL!

That's hilarious.

I hope you realize Germany occuppied all of Europe and was fighting the Brits, the Americans and the Soviets at the same time. They can handle some protestors.

 

Nope, they don't give me anything. But they burn the Turks there. I am dead serious, boy.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/feb2008/fire-f12.shtml

Endless welfare is not the only thing. Believe me.

 

Its not some protests, it means chaos and street fights in nearly every major German city, internal issues means unhappiness, unhappiness means unproductive society, and thats equal to failure.
anyway. you are too young to learn about these things, so i will not get into too deep when i talk to you, for now- just know this, Germany that was fighting at all those fronts at the same time is DEAD. after Hitler, Germany was first divided among two poles and then left to the mercy of Western imperialism.
At the moment, Germany is just an ordinary, capable, European country.
and no, Germany knows it can never risk a conflict with Turkey, internal issues that comes with it are too great.

 

What?

 

Yes,... I'm too young.

All of your posts seem to "shake, rattle and roll". And that's not a compliment.

You seem to underestimate the craft of organization and the depth of modernity. Turkey, in essence, is pretty much still an argrarian society.

 

I do live in Germany and I wouldn't want to be caught dead flying the German flag, or any other for that matter.
And you'll find it very hard to send me back from whence I came because I was born in Germany and have a German ancestry that probably reaches back further than the recorded history of my family.

 

Maybe it's time to step back into reality: neither Germany, nor the EU. nor Turkey have the slightest interest to start a war with each other.

 

Well i live in Istanbul, i dont know who does what were in Turkey, but i can tell you my city is as urban as you can get.
and yes, Turks are filled with a farmer class people, The Farmer has a sense of identity, a sense of historical and religious tradition, a feeling of belonging to a concrete family, place, and region, which are psychologically and culturally beneficial. The harmony of this life checks the encroachments of a fragmented, alienated modern society that has grown to inhuman scale(M. Thomas Inge)

In contrast, farming offers more independence and self-sufficiency. It has a solid, stable position in the world order. But urban life, capitalism, and technology destroy independence and dignity while fostering vice and weakness. The agricultural community can provide checks and balances against the imbalances of modern society by its fellowship of labor and cooperation with other agrarians, while obeying the rhythms of nature.
(M.Thomas Inge)

So yes, we are the Farmers. China for example is like that too- and yet you accused me with underestimating your society, you underestimate, my society teaches me to be one of the most collective nations in the world, just like the Chinese. Collectivity will be the final blow on your western utophia

 

and thats true too, europeans fought with Turks long enough.
they know how it tastes like, its bitter.
now its time for diplomatic warfare.
Erdogan wins every time.

 

Turk123, your posts make me think that we are the greatest nation on Earth. Thanks for the enjoyment.

 

well, there is no shame for telling, that, for me, Turkey is the greatest nation in earth.
I lived in Switzerland, in France, in USA (Philly-NY), traveled everywhere from Ho Chi Minh city to Lausanne, and i have seen and talked to many different people, from all those different experiences, i can say that Turkey and Istanbul is the land i want to spend the rest of my life and hopefully when i die, i want my body to be buried in these lands, in these beautiful land, among these beautiful people. i love my country. my land, my people. who is my people? well my people is all the people within my country that feels like my people.

Yes it is true there are problems in our lands, and yes there are concerns, there are mistakes. but i like to witness the mistakes of my own people and i would choose that experience over any happy peaceful western life.
and yes, i am a patriot. not a lunatic, not a violent psycho path, but just a patriot.

 

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All I can do is, well -- laugh.

 

So clearly, if what you say is true, Turkey has abandoned all pretenses of individualism. Look at what you've written; it is a loop. The collective collectivizes via collectivization. Lovely... I suppose having your own opinion about what sort of nation Turkey should be never entered your mind? Because you are not merely an individual member of society, but rather the embodiment of society itself, you forgo thoughts which are aberrant from those of said society -- after all, you are said (said) society. How can one be anything other than that which he is?

Hopefully, for your own sake, all this is in line with the nonsense you've been espousing thus far. Your beloved China has realized that collectivization is rather unpleasant, and is making the transition to a mainly market-oriented economy.

 

A future urinal.

 

analyze this:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fooJI9w7qpo"]Breath: Long live the Homeland - Nefes: vatan Sagolsun - YouTube[/ame]

this is collectivism, "I FORBID YOU TO DIE!"

 

So sorry to burst whatever bubble you had planned there; I don't have YouTube at work. However, if you'd care to summarize the clip...

 

Impossible to do, you have to watch it. its a 6 minute clip of something you have to analyze to fully grasp the collectivism i was talking about. just save the link to somewhere and watch it after. (if you cant see the link type this to youtube: Breath: Long live the Homeland - Nefes: vatan Sagolsun)
watch the last minute carefully.

 

"...an endless supply of angry young Muslim rebels prepared to die for their cause...." Feisal Abdul Rauf