Paul Ryan Tells Student He Should Work Three Jobs To Pay For College

http://thinkprogress.org/education/...l-ryan-three-jobs-pell-grants/?libertarianlol

Video in question:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fcDGaH82g"]Ryan on Pell Grants - YouTube[/ame]

I was a bit alarmed by the article and the headline. But if you watch the video, you can actually see the full response that Ryan had. (The article focuses on a minor part of what he says disregarding the rest.) And in it he mentions something that I found rather interesting: Every time Pell grant awards are raised, tuition rates also go up. It really makes me wonder, do rates go up because of Pell grant award increases, or are Pell grant award increases an effect of tuition rates going up (due to other reasons)? I believe it's probably due to the latter.

Tuition rates at universities across the country are getting ridiculously high. How is it possible that tuition is increasing more than the rate of inflation in a good portion of universities? And because students can get loans which can not simply be erased via bankruptcy, the universities can simply keep increasing their rates. Either way they get paid.

I don't necessarily agree with the article. I don't necessarily agree with Ryan all the time, but I don't take his comment as telling students to work 3 jobs (although I actually did that while in college). Instead, he brings up the point that something needs to be done about tuition rates going up. Now, I don't think forcing students to get loans will help the situation. It simply creates a bubble. I forget where I read it, but the article stated that the US will soon have over $1 Trillion in Student Loan Debt. That's absolutely insane.

Forcing students to get loans isn't going to solve the problem since universities can simply continue to raise the rates knowing they'll get paid in the end. But I think most would agree something needs to be done to address this problem.

By no means do I think this is the main cause, but I will say that part of the problem is the fact that students are going to schools without full comprehension for how much money it will cost them to attend and the benefits to the career they choose.

What do you folks think should be done about the cost of attending college?

 

Well it's a good thing that we spend so much on our military. Here's a question - Should university students be working at all? Our educational systems have already been downgraded, although they are still good. Why not make it so students in universities get the best and most intense education possible so they can compete on the world market.

 

Most definitely students should be working. You can't learn the value of hard work without actually working hard. Plus, most jobs look for experience. So while, having that 4 yr degree is good, it looks even better when you can say you held a job of some sort during that time.

Just to digress a bit, there were many students I knew when I was in college that worked hard just to pay off tuition and save up for each semester while other students didn't have to lift a finger because their parents had big pockets. It sucks that it works out that way sometimes, but that's life. If I were rich, I certainly wouldn't spoil my kids. I would definitely make them work during college just like I did.

 

No. I do not want to pay taxes to help a kid get through college. Sorry.

I'd rather give my money to my own kids.

 

Many college students acquire internships in their intended professions while studying. These jobs are sometimes paying, sometimes non-paying. However, they are utilized to gain experience for future employment. However, they usually pay on par or slightly above the minimum wage.

 

I see nothing wrong with students having to work to afford college. People tend to value what they work for more than that which they get for free.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college so I joined the army and went under the GI Bill. I worked every summer and took courses at the same time and also worked both during school and during semester breaks.

 

I'm sure a lot of people would love to pick and choose which taxes they paid, but then the taxes would cease to be effective. In any case, that isn't the issue at hand. What do you think is causing the rise of tuition costs and what could be done to address it?

 

I received a $300 pell grant per semester. $300!!!

I am now in the top 25%. I worked hard for it. I went to school, and worked and had two kids at the same time. Its called effort.

Why is school more expensive? Demand. Free money. Duh.

Stop subsidizing the crap out of it, and costs will come down.

 

Increased public post-secondary education opportunities is the answer. In New York, we probably have the best public post-secondary education system. Binghampton University is a premier education institution, yet a public university. Total costs are less than $20,000 per year, yet the education is fantastic. The school is known as the "public Ivy."

 

put the burden of the cost of education back onto those who get it and you'll see value and cost reductions.

I just paid almost $300 for ONE BOOK for my soon. They change the revision every year. It's a scam and out of control

Academia needs to be reformed. Maybe by putting the costs right back onto the feet of the students thay won't be so quick or willing to authorize the outragous prices. Schools would need to drop their prices

300-400 student lecture hall

each required to purchase a $200 book authored by the professor and it's a "university specific " edition plus the ocst of the tuition and fee for the one course $$$$$$$$

let's just review FL revenue

$500 for a 3 credit course plus approx $70 in "fees"

$200 book for above lecture class

300 students = $231,000 for 1 class held once or 2x per week for 1 semester

400 students = $308,000


all for a couple hours per week

and FL has "affordable" state universities

major major scam

 

I see the righties are again saying education should only be reserved to those who can afford it by themselves. Money above all of course.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_equilibrium

Hopefully, your government education allows you to understand the above link.

 

I find it outrageous that students end up tens of thousands of dollars in debt simply because they wish to attend college. Take out a loan, finish college and you've then got to work to pay off the debt - and there is no certainty you will end up with a good job anyway!

As for working three jobs...should the poor kid work his butt off for 20 hours a day? People need to sleep. Sleep means he'd be able to concentrate, working that hard will harm him. Whoever this Ryan is, he's an idiot.

If you ask me, if a kid has a good passing grade when he leaves high school, college should be free. One college course of choice, and everything is paid for. College gives kids the chance to make something of themselves, gives them more of a chance to get a decent job. I wouldn't have a problem paying for someone else's kid to attend college if it meant that kid would get a good job and become a good member of society.

Also, if college was free - or cheaper - more students would attend.

 

And the righties are the first to attack those in low paying jobs. Those people may not be in low paying jobs if they had the same opportunity as everyone else.

 

Are we under the illusion that the average college degree is worthwhile anyway?

Government needs to stop subsidizing student loans. The government is distorting the market and education is the next bubble to burst. The cost has been increasing each year and the value of a degree has been decreasing.

The net effect is we have a whole generation of "adults" who delay entry into the workforce by 4-6 years, with thousands in debt, without gaining skills that make them more productive. Sure there are fields that require education like medicine and engineering and IT and ... oh right that's it.

It's time to stop subsidizing academia which has become a left wing cancer in this country. Disagree with me? Sure, tell me what you can do with a liberal arts degree besides teach.

I'm going to wager that the people on the left in this thread who think college = high paying job haven't actually graduated and entered the work force yet. Good luck kiddos.

 

Heh, so what is the main cause then? Government intervention is 100% behind this soon to be crisis.

Just like all govt intervention the worst hit will be the ones the program is designed to help. The students who graduate with 100k after wasting years of their life and no real world skills are screwed.

It's hard to feel bad for these kids though considering most of them are progressives and would just as soon vote for more of the poison that's making them sick.

 

And if they have NO work experience they aren't going to be touched when they graduate.

 

If everyone has a college degree, then it becomes as worthless as a high school diploma.

Sure, education is good. But in a capitalist system that is sustained by competition, there has to be some way for an individual to put himself above the pack in terms of skill, education, etc.

I know this aggravates liberals to no end, but we all can't be engineers, doctors, lawyers, IT technicians, etc.

Someone has to dig ditches, shovel dung, flip burgers and deliver pizzas and those jobs are never going to be high paying no matter what Government demands, price controls it sets or minimum wages it enforces.

We have to stop trying to mitigate the Law of Supply and Demand when it comes to labor.

If we are continue to be a capitalist nation, at some point we are going to have adopt at least a little bit of some kind of Social Darwinism. Capitalism cannot function without it.

 

Are you trying to say we DON'T have social Darwinism at work NOW?

Oh, I just realized you probably mean we need a certain percentage to starve to death in the ditches to provide "proper incentive" to the rest of the lower class to do anything for any tiny amount of money.

Never mind.....

 

Actually, a better idea has been talked about for the past few years now. I would go one further and extend high school an extra four years. A student could get his or her high school diploma at the same time that they get their bachelor's degree when they graduate. Those who don't like it can drop out and get a GED.

This way, these students wouldn't have to worry about tuition costs. Yeah, taxpayers would have to foot the bill for that extra four years, and I'm pretty sure that the teacher's unions wouldn't stand for it, dealing with the same kids for 8 years (too stressful for those poor union members, you see). But in the long run, it would benefit our society more because we wouldn't have a bunch of complete dumbasses "graduating" from high school not knowing how to read English none too good or do basic math. You'd be surprised how many kids enter college not knowing the basics and have to take remedial courses that they should have already learned in high school.

 

I worked my way through two masters degrees

 

BS, they do have the same opportunity. Some take advantage of it and some don't.
When I was first getting started I worked low paying jobs and I learned more working those jobs than I ever did in college. But then I was raised with a strong work ethic instead of an "I deserve" or "life's unfair" mentality.
Success is a pursuit, not a right.

 

what!!!!!

Makk, unless we somehow ever speak face to face I will never understand where you get these ideas?

let's visit your utopia for one moment. LEt's not even consider how the "free education" gets paid. Yes, in the USA we provide a public education grades 1-12 and in some communities, K as well. It's a local decision and fiunding is also supposed to be local thus why they are "local schools".

If a community doesn't care about their schools then people leave and the community degrades. It's not up to the fed to step in, it's a local thing and how things should work. You manage your town well and people will want to stay there.

Anyway, have your folks ever needed someone to crawl under their home and clean out a sewer pipe? Will a college graduate want to do that job?

Have you ever enjoyed a night in a hotel? Will a college graduate want to wash the sheets that you stained?

Have you ever attended a liberal rally or a music concert? Does a college graduate want to pick up the trash that was tossed onto the ground? How about mopping up the puke from those who were drunk?

So, do you propose that taxpayers (yes makk, taxpayers ultimately pay) pay for all of the puke cleaners to get a higher degree?

here's a dose of reality. It's nice to talk about a fantasy Star Trek world with "no money" and people "exploring their interests" but someone has to process the ca ca which is dumped from our anuses and i doubt that's exploring one's interests.

While you sit down and dine do you think your waiter has reached self actualization by making sure your steak is cooked how you like it?


sheesh

you really need to open your eyes while you're still young and naive before it's too late.

 

The same thing that happened to Gas Prices happened to Tuition...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k"]Quantitative Easing Explained - YouTube[/ame]

Thanks for the Economic Destruction... obama...​

 

You cant even discuss the topic of the thread. This comment is a 1 line cluster(*)(*)(*)(*) and DNC talking point on parade. Go back and actually read the OP and watch the video then come back with an actual quality, non-trolling comment worthy of discussion.