Inept and incompetent President.

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O55aRrvXtio"]Obama: Shovel-Ready Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected - YouTube[/ame]

    Obama and the Democrats, obviously to me, had no clue their own red tape, bureaucracy and blizzard of regulations it takes to get any construction project off the ground would help kill their own stimulus. Could they possible have been more pig-headed and incompetent? Then they wonder why companies don't want to build factories and add jobs in the United States.

    Example: A friend of mine wanted to put a 10' X 15' concrete slab in his back yard so he could erect one of those prefab metal sheds. He applied for a permit. The inspector told him he would need to add 80' of sidewalk in front of his house, and add a bigger gate in his chain link fence for better fire dept access. The gate was permitted along with the fence when it was built. So let's recap, in order to erect a simple metal shed for garden tools he needed to add 80' of public sidewalk. Inspection fee $100, $375 permit fee, sidewalk 80' X 4" get an estimate from an approved city contractor, add wider gate in place of standard sidewalk width gate $425. So we're at $900 NOT including the cost of the 80'X 4' public sidewalk in front of the house which is sure to run in the thousands before even getting started on the shed to just store garden tools.

    This is a private individual, just imaging what permits, inspections, impact studies and engineering reports necessary to complete even the simplest public works project? No wonder the stimulus failed to produce any meaningful amount of jobs. It did however keep the Bureaucrats busy and feed their overinflated feelings of self importance and power.

    The Democrats have to go in 2012 if this country is going to get back to work in 2013. If your unemployed and want to work, vote against every single Democrat on the ballot at all levels of Government including city, county, state and federal.

    If you've ever tried or started a business, or had your business held back from expanding and hiring more employees, let 'em know at the website below.

    http://jobs.majorityleader.gov/
     
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    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    So, in order for the privilege of building on his own land, your friend was obligated to pour his money into public space. What's happened to our private property rights over the last 200 years?
     
  3. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's California. If you live in the city limits, the ordinances are as such if you want a building permit for any reason, you are obligated to add sidewalk at the street. Once your street has more than 50% side walk, the city comes in and adds the sidewalk to the rest, then tacks it on to your property tax. Did I mention, YOU the homeowners are responsible for maintenance and bear the liability for trip and falls as well. The theory is your property extends to the street while the city retains 2 20' right of way, they don't own it you do.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where'd the libs go? Silence is always their answer to the truth, ain't it grand!
     
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    there is a reason for permits and rules, they don't just come out from nowhere

    his shed presented a safety hazard to the public so he had to apply for permits and pay the costs for causing an inconvenience to others

    this isn't a country made for individuals but the collective
     
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    I live in California...where you need a permit to pee. I have an acre of land..well maintained and developed. I wanted to build a 20'x20' shop a few years ago. I couldn't even get a permit. None of my neighbors, all owners, cared. 2 offered to help with the construction. My property is terraced and the shop would be on the second level. No body would ever see it. It obstructed no views, it violated no property lines. Still, permit denied. So I built it anyway. I just didn't lay a foundation, so it's not a permanent structure. So far I've gotten away with it.
     
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    Two questions for you.

    1. How long has this building ordinance been in place?

    2. Have you even been to a city where there are no strict building codes?
     
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    Exactly! Great post, the only way the Libs can respond is with loud rucuss that is based on irrational opinion and not fact.

    Good facts.
     
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    That's kind of par for the course, but in the case of "Stimula me" it gets a lot worse.

    Having worked with for NGO's, there is what I call a meeting mentality. The more hours they can wrack up in meetings, the less work they actually have to do.

    For instance an approved stimulus program in Seattle was awarded $2.8 million to have long-term unemployed people upgrade the insulation in homes on the poor side of town. They were one of the first to win approval and found, OMG, after receiving the money that both state and local regulations applied as to the R - rating, handling and, especially, the removal and disposal of the existing insulation.

    The NGO then spent every dime of the $2.8 million in meetings to deal with those regs, building permits and so forth. They discussed, but never got around to determining a plan on who to hire or how.
    Not one worker was hired and not one home was upgraded.

    The NGO, members and their associated organizations each had salary increases of between 30% and 50% from the extra meetings.

    Now, multiply that a few thousand times across the country.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Another view... while private businesses only add staff after careful budgetary analysis, govt agencies hire staff to fill the budget. Stim money was doled out to fed agencies which required them to add temporary staff to work on spending the extra money while regular fed employees worked on creating even more new regulations with fines designed to suck more money outta taxpayers.

    Ridiculous... but true, folks. Like pouring water down a gopher hole.

    Inept and incompetent is an understatement. Dangerous is more like it.
     
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    Thought we were done talking about Shrub Jr. :mrgreen:
     
  12. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many many years.

    Liz, there has to be some common sense too. Building codes are meant to make sure buildings are safe for the occupants. Like the wiring is safe and won't electrocute the the owner and the gas piping won't leak and smother everyone living there. We are talking about a prefab metal shed to store the hedge trimmer, weed wacker and garden shears. No electricity, no gas and no no water, just a plain shed.

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    What gets me is forcing the homeowner to pay for and maintain public sidewalk.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Government workers unemployment in November 2010 was 4.4% and in Nov 2011 is 4.5%, I think that about says it all.

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    This sez it all... pick a category, any category...

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    Most of the intelligent ones appear to be engaged in more meaningful discussion.
     
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    there is a reason for permits and rules, they don't just come out from nowhere

    his shed presented a safety hazard to the public so he had to apply for permits and pay the costs for causing an inconvenience to others

    this isn't a country made for individuals but the collective

    LOL
     
  17. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please explain how a pre fab metal shed presents a safety hazard that requires a sidewalk 100+ feet away?
     
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    If the building codes have been in place for, as you say, many many years, how is it Obama's fault?

    Buliding codes aren't normally a federal thing but a state or more likely a city thing.

    Blame your city, not the federal government.
     
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    And this is my problem - how again? :confused: :confused:
     
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    A county's president is only as good as the other 500+ elected officials in congress. In fact the Congress has more power in most economic policies than the president. And they are the ones responsible to come up with the bills and the legeslation. Like "W" said. "I'm a decider". LOL..... That is why Dick Chaynee made "W" his beyacccch.
     
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    Yes. All local codes are Obama's fault even the ones from 20-30 years ago.

    For instance, we don't have any building codes around here. Generally if you don't encroach on your neighbor's property, you're ok.

    That's probably Obama's fault too.

    Yup.
     
  22. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know where you come up with this stuff Todd, but it sure is amusing to watch you post it. Thanks for the good laugh.
     
  23. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    California is FULL of Liberal Democrats, they will make sure your party is gone come Nov 2012. So it may be a problem for you when the Democrats are nothing more than place holders for a few seats in Congress.
     
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    So you don't understand what the "local" in "local building codes" entails? Hmmm... you must've had a poor education.

    That's probably Obama's fault too.
     
  25. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure I do todd, it involves a bunch of anal retentive control freak liberals. But, take solace your state will be taxing you more to bail out mine. Happy New Year with less money!
     

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