Watch out China your next!

America could definitely win a war with china, but occupation would be BEYOND impossible. The only country with that type of man power would be India, and even they wouldn't want to touch a situation like that with a 10 foot stick.

 

Make Pizza not War..

 

a land war is not possible with china, there army is huge and they have decent equipment. the casualty would be too huge to think. but air/naval war is winneable. on top of that US never engage another country directly who has alot nuke, this was true during the cold war.

 

albert you constanly use the loyalty nationality card, but some of your post is definitely against US. such as this #25 http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...226044-china-bans-us-culture-they-call-3.html I for one think US culture has its uniqueness, and its diversify.

also its not a crime or loyalty issue when a US citizen criticize the government. afterall this is a free country, we can criticize the government/protest when the government do something wrong. there are many US citizen protest/criticize against vietnam, iraq war, etc etc. it does not mean its wrong, in fact these are the poeple who keep the government in check when the government policy stir toward the wrong way.

there are many asian respect their heritage, there are many caucasian respect their european heritage, same with latino, african american. are you saying all these people has loyalty issues? just because someone speak favorly toward the country they came from THAN your attitude toward that country, it does not mean they are not loyal to US. its natural, many people do it, asia-american, latino-american, african-american, and caucasian-american. use the racial/stereotype in a discussion is really a loser's arguement

 

and why do you want hurt american? i thought your were pro-US no matter what. this is agains your rule regarding loyalty to US

 

example Falklands War, russia & georgia war, america civil war. you were saying democracy country doesn't goto wars? political structure is but one of reason countries goto war, there are many other reasons energy, resource, religion. are you really naive to think ALL democracy don't goto war because their political structure?? democracy is only been 200 yrs or so, its still in its infancy compare to overall human history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1900–1944
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1945–1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1990–2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_2003–current

with all these wars you think all of them are non-democracy vs democracy wars??

 

U know nothing about me you turd. I came here on a British passport as Hong Kong was a british colony at the time. So was the USA at one time, a british Colony. I have never been a Chinese citizen, I have never been a member of Chinese Communist party.

The only problem for people like you is I am of Asian descent and I dont see China's rise as a threat to world stability and development...

 

Yeah. So? The actions of the US government demonstrate that they agree with me. That was the point of my comment. The US has not attempted to prevent any democracy from getting nukes, yet it has tried to prevent MANY non-democracies from doing so. You do not see a double standard?

The US Constitution is irrelevant in this context.

There is no US law preventing Japan from getting nukes. They are a democracy, completely independent from us. We do not override their own citizens when it comes to their own laws.

3 Examples in 200 years? Thats it? LOL! How many times have democracies warred with non-democracies during that same period?

(Also...even your own example is not correct. America was not a democracy at the time of the revolutionary war...we had slavery and women could not vote)

Correct. You seem to be proving my point.

In a democracy the masses will have to bear the brunt of the consequences. Since they make the decision to go to war, they are less likely to do so unless there is a very good reason. And that usually means only Defense. They will not put themselves at risk for greed.

That is not true of non-democracies, because the people making the decision to go to war will probably NOT face the consequences. The masses will. So they have a lot less incentive to avoid war for non-defense reasons. They are a lot more likely to see the masses as merely an expendable commodity.

That is why political structure is relevant. Because determining who has CONTROL is relevant.

Exactly, and look at how it has taken over the planet already in just that short time. It is obviously superior to all other forms of government we have seen so far. It has displaced systems that existed thousands of years before it in mere decades.

The empirical evidence supports that conclusion.

Make a list of all wars in the last 100 years. Put the ones where both participants are democracies in column "A". Put the rest in column "B". Which column do you think will contain more items?

 

This. Seriously.

I think people like him are kinda hypocritical. They consider China (or whatever other oppressive native culture they came from) to be so great, yet they still choose to live here.

I dont have a problem with them staying here. I think they have every right to be hypocrites if they want to. But their actions speak louder than their words.

 

We do that a lot. Just ask Saddam.

 

Naval victory? In the long run yes, but all the U.S. carrier groups close to the Pacific would get wiped out, as China places a priority on their early neutralization.

 

There's more to it than that. Taiwan IS China, afterall. If I was a Taiwanese looking at the economies of the U.S. and China, I believe I'd have to go with China.

 

There is spectrum of thought among people of Han ancestry in America. Tremendous diversity. Some are Chinese in world view. Some see themselves as Asian. Some see themselves as Asian American. Some see themselves as American. Some are here temporarily. Some permanently. Some are expatriates. Some are naturalized. Some are native born. Some are ardent Han nationalists. Some are ardent American patriots. Some love America. Some hate America. Some are very ambivalent about America.

It is my familiarity with the Chinese that gives me insight into this vast range of views. It is my understanding of the attraction of Han culture that gives me perspective.

This range appears in some other ethnic communities in America, but there is one thing that distinguishes the Chinese from all other communities living in America. China is the only power on earth truly capable of crippling America. Only China poses a threat to what remains of the land that I truly love. In some ways I love China. But as an American I also fear China.

I think I sometimes have more in common with the Han as a people than I do with so many of the hostile separate identity groups that live in America. But China is more than an attractive culture. It is a civilization by itself. It is an expansionist empire. And it is a nation state that has a very complicated relationship with America.

My great grandfather on my paternal side was arrested during WWI for his pro-German sedition. His grandsons killed Germans because they placed America above Germany.

If you're not going to root for the home team get the hell out of the stadium.

Throughout my life I have been an ardent American patriot. The land that I've loved is passing out of existence. It is being replaced by a thing which is unworthy of calling itself America. This is the basis for my ambivalence to this thing calling itself America. My people are dying out. They are being replaced by people who aren't American in consciousness. So you can see I have a very complicated relationship with this thing calling itself America.

 

The phoenix must be consumed by fire before it can rise from the flames.

 

My father in law was a hero. His valor at the Battle of the Chosin Reservoir made provided him with many opportunities in the Chinese Communist Party. He became a minor official in Guangdong province. But he was ideologically impure. He was a Capitalist Roader.

He was beaten to death by Red Guards in 1967. The family was smashed and scattered to the wind. The woman who would become my wife spent the next seven years on a collective farm in Inner Mongolia trying to scratch out a living. Part of her youth was stolen.

The family was rehabilitated. My wife couldn't get over what happened. She fled. The blood of the Han now courses through the veins of my sons. I am not anti-Chinese or anti-Asian. I am a Sinophile, but before all else I am an American. Some of my in laws are members of the Chinese Communist Party, and some serve in the People's Liberation Army. They're good people.

 

Does being an American mean we have to support American efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever else they send U.S. troops? It was not as if we have much of a choice, the Fed takes our tax dollars and does whatever it wants with it, never really letting the people understand what was happening until it was too late.

Does being an American mean we have to bomb Iraqis regardless of collateral damage to civilians? If so, then good luck to the people who are trying to "Win Hearts and Minds" thru gunpoint.

There was a time when I believed most Americans can think for themselves, but the fact GW Bush was elected and Re-elected lends me to believe many Americans have a herd mentality, believing and following everything the right wingers feed to them.

We like to think of the USA has always stood for freedom, justice, democracy etc...But the deeper I look into the history of this nation, the more I see this was not so.

 

You fear China, when the USA is one of the worlds largest exporters of Weapons of Mass destruction, and of toxic debt.

The Chinese have been manufacturing finished consumer goods for export for the last 30 years. The Chinese do not have military bases in Canada, Mexico, or the Carribeans. Americans have military installations in S. Korea, Okinawa Japan, Guam, Phillipines, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, the UK etc... etc...

No wonder US gov't is bankrupt, they've overextended themselves playing the Global Policeman.

Americans think we have freedoms, but did Americans have much of a say in the Bank/GM bailouts? Did Americans get to voice opinion before our ventures in Iraq, Afghanistan?

 

Geez, somebody is being melodramatic....

BTW, by your name I wouldve thought you were of S. American or Spanish descent, not German.

 

There was no freedom or justice or democracy for the people of the America. The real owners of the land. The natives.
The US was built on genocide and has nothing to be proud of. That was then. But today it is an out of control terrorist organisation run by AIPAC. They decide its policies.

 

One can come to your conclusions out of a love for America. Those are valid concerns for all Americans, naturalized and native born alike. One can also come to those same conclusions out of a love of China before America. That is invalid and illegitimate for someone who holds American citizenship.

 

Half Alsatian and half Celtic. I like the Han and hate the British.

 

No it isnt. That is like saying that Canada "IS" the United States.

Canada shares a common origin with us. Canada shares most of our culture. Canada is not part of the US. Canada has a completely separate political system, military, and economy.

 

You are an Egyptian. Egypt is ruled by a military dictatorship currently, and will be ruled soon by bearded fanatical Islamists. ****.

 

You live in a democracy. The majority (via their elected proxies) gets to decide what is done with "your" money. Thats how democracy works. The majority get the final say.

If you dont like it, you have the option of leaving if you want to.

Sometimes it does, yeah. Any act is justifiable in self defense, and in the opinion of many Americans, bombing Iraq was necessary for our defense.

You might not personally agree with it, but a majority felt that way, which is why they elected people that made it happen.

We had the option of replacing Saddam with another dictator, or even of simply collaborating with him instead of removing him. We didnt do that.

What Weapons of Mass Destruction has the US exported? Can you give me an example?

Yes. In 2004 and 2008.

 

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