New RP ad shows war propaganda in Iraq and Iran

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KiRAMvAlpQ"]Ron Paul - War Propaganda - YouTube[/ame]

    Supporters of Ron Paul will say that the reason they respect the congressman as much as they do is that the GOP candidate does something uncommon for most politicians — he sticks to his word.

    One doesn’t have to look much further than RT to see that that’s exactly the case.


    As America comes close to entering into a war with Iran, Paul continues to caution against a massive propaganda machine that drives citizens to support pointless military operations. During recent debates he discussed the inexplicable hype that is encouraging Americans to breed anti-Iran rhetoric and once again blamed it on the establishment’s attempt to influence Americans into another Iraq or Afghanistan. This notion of Paul's is one that has come off among the strongest for supporters. In fact, a recent YouTube video made in favor of Congressman Paul focuses entirely on the candidate’s discern for the war propaganda machine — and uses a RT clip to drive the point home.
    http://rt.com/usa/news/paul-rt-video-war-637/

    in the end its more lives lost, Billions of dollars spent... and they will find no evidence of WOMD.
     
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    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And now the RNC wishes to lift the limits on DIRECT corporate contributions to politicians! :roll:


    The video is GREAT!

    I am also recommending the Mother Jones article

    http://motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline
    Lie by Lie: The Mother Jones Iraq War Timeline (8/1/90 - 2/14/08)

    Discover notes like this:

    That 911 Attacks were a good enough excuse to hit Saddam Hussein, and go after "things related AND NOT" related!

    3000 dead and the question in the Bush administration is whether this was a "good enough excuse" to go after things Hussein and things NOT related"!! Disgusting.
     
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    I new in my gut that after 911 we would be going back into Iraq. We pushed our allies into it. It was all a lie.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    This is why Ron Paul will never be elected POTUS. His foreign policy is so farfetched that it scares people. Not to worry though he won't get the nomination thankfully.

    He is simply way too much of a humble isolationist to be an effective leader of this country. His style would work for a different nation that has power on a global scale, such as a European nation. But his thinking wouldn't work as the president of the only superpower in the world.
     
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    Isolationist this isolationist that! All you Ron Paulophobes say is that he's a isolationist. Where is your proof? Peace scares people?
     
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    If it were not for the fact that his support is growing so fast I may be discouraged.

    Our ideals that Ron Paul shares and champions is a seed that has started to grow. There is hope that we will return to our contistution and that a man like Ron Paul will be President. Sorry you feel different. Thanks for your opinion though.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Have you listened to a single thing the man has said about foreign policy? He believes that we shouldn't have foreign interests. We should pull out of everywhere and come back home. This will stabilize the world and we will have peace, or something along those lines.

    This is the real world, but fine go ahead and try it. Stop putting N Korea in check, stop putting Iran in check, let our enemies do whatever they please. We'll see how well that goes.

    If we ever got attacked again this guy would be frantically digging through reports and historical files to see what we did wrong to make these people upset with us. Rather than the logical answer of "attack us and die" he would be more like "attack us and explain what we did wrong so we won't do it again".

    This isn't some fantasy world son, this is real life, and real life doesn't work like that, not when you are the only superpower on the planet.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Ron Paul would be great if this country had a duel head of state with equal power. He would be a great president for domestic issues and economical reasons. He would have to give his Sec of Defense equal power to himself though or at least have a clause that says he must do every single thing regarding foreign affairs that the SecDef says. He would get us killed with his foreign policy beliefs.

    I will agree that domestic wise someone like RP is needed. Thats about where his power should stop though.
     
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    Here is the problem that most people miss. You cant take care of your friends if your going to let your own home burn and your family suffer while doing it.

    We need a real man to take charge and fix our home and make the hard decisions instead of trying to please everyone and conquor the world.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Who is this "everyone" that we are trying to please? Our "allies" almost never support us and our foreign interests.

    How are we trying to conquer the world? What have we gained from the Iraq war? Don't say oil because my gas is still over 3 bucks a gallon when it should be a quarter if we stole Iraqs oil like so many claim. Plus we just left Iraq...
     
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    I don’t know what your definition is of World domination but mine is based off of our military and influence.


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    As to what WE gained? Nothing! Someone gained all right but it was not you or me. Hell we couldn’t even loot Iraq to pay for the war. Our leaders are so incompetent as to not even know that simple concept when waging war. Do not wage it if you cannot pay for it.

    And and as to who is 'everyone' we are trying to please? that would be everyone dependent on our government welfare, foreign and domestic
     
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    Yes we have bases in a multitude of countries around the world. Part of it is for strategic purposes and like you said to influence. Those said countries don't fall under American rule. They don't follow American laws, we have no say so in what most of those nations do. Our bases are in strategic locations for the most part to keep our ability to rapidly strike anybody anywhere on Earth. Some nations are more influenced than others, such as Japan not being allowed to build an offensive military because we said so. But we agree to protect them from enemy nations.

    Now I would be just fine with us tapping into Iraq's oil production as compensation for us liberating them. But we didn't and that proves we are imperialists.

    I agree that we have a heavy influence on what goes on in the world. Most nations with a legitimate government will indeed stop if the US says stop. Even the most die hard nations like Russia when they invaded Georgia. We said stop or else, they retreated. I don't have a problem with that at all.

    And we are literally the most generous nation on the planet when it comes to foreign aid. So yes people are dependent on the US for food and aid. Is that a problem? We even send our adversaries aid. Is this a bad thing to you? We aren't trying to please anyone. For some reason people have such a hard time believing that the US can do something simply because its the right thing to do. We have multitudes of wealth compared to many nations, it's ok to help out.

    Hell we even saved those (*)(*)(*)(*) Iranian sailors the other day when their little boat sank or whatever the hell happened. We aren't trying to "please" Iran, we did it because it was right. I know its hard to believe but the US isn't an evil empire bent on world domination...
     
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    This is how I know you are full of crap. I have listened to Paul, and nothing you said even remotely is close to anything he had said. Isolationist deal with trade and diplomacy, NOT WAR.
     
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    Obama ain't Bush, and he will go after Iran, just like his banking puppet masters tell him to.
     
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    lol, I guess the world is brighter from an Americans point of view. I am willing to wager much of the world would disagree with you, at least for some after they receive their 'aid'.

    I am all for free trade. But we don’t need a base in their country to trade apples. We don’t need to drop bombs on a people to spread freedom. Do the people in Haiti appreciate the aid we give them? sure but I am willing to bet they do not appreciate the disease, warfare, slave trade and suffering that has come with it through the years.

    The American people mean well but how can a people be free if they depend on our welfare? Its no different here at home. How can whole communities who have been on welfare 3 generations know what freedom is if they keep getting paid to not work? Freedom comes with hard work and sacrifice and not dependency.
    I am all for helping people with natural disasters, epidemic and freedom. But not for welfare and military force to achieve our goals on anther people. It’s an affront to our own ideals of liberty.
    Every year we help thousands of people starving in the deserts of Africa. If it not for our interference, they would have already migrated out of the land that is not productive and resettled in areas that could support them. Instead they barely make it year by year and stay where they know they will get food support from us. Do they want our help and appreciate it? Sure but Are we really helping them?
     
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    no wars is VERY dangerous!
     
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    here is the ad the won my brother over to the Ron Paul camp

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYoYaDNjnY"]So You Like Ron Paul, But You Don't Like His Foreign Policy? Really? - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    War should be like a one night stand. We get in the, tear (*)(*)(*)(*) up. And get out when we finish. No need for cab fare, and no need to apologize for our "roughness".
     

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