Who has the right to Israel?

Tell me when did "JEWS" first identified themselves as "Jews " . ?

Most genealogists refute modern day Jewish claims of beiing direct descendents of ancient biblical IsraeLITES


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I notice that, all the time, you just make statements, ex cathedra, like the Pope, without ever arguing or making sense. What, please, are 'the Jews'? The people of the Old Testament and their descendants? They changed religion and became the Palestinians, as you know. The current believers in Judaism? They come from all sorts of sources, and are, as I understand it, waiting for the Messiah to lead them 'home' to a country very few of their ancestors came from - and no Messiah has arrived. The people Hitler called Jews? Well, a high proportion of those are dead, but, yes, the German ones mostly got out, and a nasty minority became zionist. As to the standard and entirely fatuous blather about 'Arabs' put about by these latter, it is the equivalent of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion', and no sober person would bother to read it.

 

All those foreign powers are long gone, most of the ancient nations lost thier ancient culture and got very mixed identities, the only nation that survived nearly unchanged since the destruction of the 2nd temple are the jews. among others they have an historic connection, althou i think that if Sargon was alive today he would lose his shirt in court.

Jewish identity was created in Israel, also monotheism and possibly the bible, the foregin powers only conqured it, they have their own "cultural homes" to hug.

 

Since 720BC?

I'd like to see some studies about that, i looked before but didnt find any

 

How much aid does Israel get from the US and for what use?

 

Vast amounts, mainly to murder children.

 

If you dont know no need to shout your ignorance...

 

At least $3 billion a year. Spent on American bombs. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000623507&fid=1725

But of course you knew this.

 

So as you admit not being able to find /produce evidence , then
your claim abt Jews -since 720 BC can be dismissed as utter dreck.

I'm reliably told that Jews are not even mentioned in the Jewish Bible. I admit I've not read the Jewish bible , but according to some learned scholars

. None of the legendary men, from King David to the prophets, were called ‘the Jews’. This ethnonym appears for the first and only time in the Bible in the Persian story of the very late Book of Esther.

The self-identification of the Jews with the tribes of Israel and with the heroes of the Bible is as valid as the story of Rome being founded by the Trojan prince Aeneas, and if todays Turks started calling themselves Trojans and claimed to be owners of Rome.

Its also said that the majority of modern day "Jews" - East Europeans are infact Yids, whose language was Yiddish.
The Ancient biblical Hebrew tribes long ago disappeard /assimilated with other nations/peoples , Canaanites/Persians/Khazars etc.


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You think the fact that they also pay for torture, assassination and ethnic cleansing alters the point? Sancta simplicitas!

 

More attempts to delegitimize the existence of Israel.

Let us just face facts on the ground shall we?

A large group of people who claim to adhere to the religion of Judaism have carved out a tiny piece of the middle east for themselves and kicked arab butt time and time again to prove they have the right to own it.

If you don't like it, then kiss their asses because they don't care if you don't like it.

When it comes to the Middle East, Might makes Right. The arab world, the UN and anyone else who doesn't like it can suck a big donkey shlong.

 

Seems that you think anyone who doesnt like it should commit further violence to achieve their aims - are you therefore a man of violence?

If someone did kick Israel's ass would that make any difference as to who can reign in the land in your opinion or are you talking out your ass because you hate arabs?

Or would you rather just stick with international law?

 

Silicon Magician - do try to fight your love-hate relationship with donkeys and/or arses and look at facts. The nazis you support have no claim and no right to the territory they have occupied, and without the support of racist fools would be removed. What benefit are they to anyone, ever?

 

A) The group of people you speak of, who established the Zionist entity called "Israel " was nothing more than a bunch of non-believing - atheistic scoundrels who exploited Judaism used it as a tool in accordance with atheist Herzl's "DER JUDENSTAAT".

But according to many Rabbis prior to WW2 - Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists are the enemies of observant Jews. Ask Neturei Karta/Jews for Justice/JewsNotZionists, etc. etc. including many righteous secular "Jews".

I's ignore the rest of yr BS and ask you to address /dispute any of the points in my early post which for your convenience I repeat:

Here's a FACT ON THE GROUND :

No matter how mighty an army , the thieves will never be allowed to enjoy their illgotten gains, in peace - until such time when Israeli Govt acknowledge the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people.


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Only 1% of the American budget, that's slightly over 2 billion dollars, is spent on foreign aid my friend. Israel would survive without U.S. help. They have held their own in wars. Arabs pushed Jews farther and farther west. Where else could they setup besides Israel? If they hadn't settled their, they might of all been drowned in the Atlantic ocean.

 

Then why don't they? We could invest that money in Haiti or somewhere that its actually needed.

You are right about them being drowned in the Ocean.. No one would take the refugees in .

 

So pretty much anything goes, is what you're saying?

Okay.

Well, on that basis, don't be amazed and stunned when that same 'if you can do it, do it' attitude is used, right back at ya - people like you, with a mentality like the one you have, it makes both state terrorists, and non state terrorists delighted.

They love people like you.

 

How sweet! Israel won't be going alone. Them Arabs will be along for the swim and those below the Aswan Dam.

 

To the victor go the spoils.

 

Not according to laws and treaties which those violating them are part.

 

I do not understand.

 

Only on loan, as they went to the similar Crusader States. Do you feel happy with arguments that would have justified Hitler? It hardly seems compatible with caring for his victims, does it?

 

Sounds like you've been raised in a very " civilized society " who'd use that war cry to justify all war crimes even allowing soldiers Indiscriminately killing all the men and as a reward rape the women as spoils of war, or even (*)(*)(*)(*)/urinate on the dead. Hmmmm...

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Except for the pograms....

 

Look up the Camp David accords...Aid to Israel is tied to aid to Egypt