Romney or Ron Paul?

I think it's easy, Rick Santorum or Ron Paul. I vould vote for either of them over Romney. Romney is a socialist progressive in disguise. During the New Hampshire debate he said that Obama wants to turn America into a Socialist European welfare state. Then a few minutes later, he turned around and said: "We must continue to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. We must keep the entitlements in place".

"Taking care of people" and "entitlements" are progressivespeak for "welfare state". Romney talks like a welfare statist, no question about it. That's why Republican voters should not consider voting for him if they want the GOP to have a chance in November. Why many conservatives would prefer Romney or Gingrich when they have candidates like Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, is beyond me.

 

Why would anyone fear a 36 year failure? The 'establishment" whoever they are, looks at him as a silly old tired joke. He holds no fear for anyone. If there was any chance of him being elected, then rational people would fear for the nation.

 

"Rational People", huh? The amount of irrational thinking in DC is very frustrating for those of us who do not openly support it. Of course, we are labeled as irrational. The irony.

 

You can keep repeating your same baseless assertions over and over, but tgey will remain untrue as they were the first time.

Ron Paul is the only candidate with a platform that will make this country stronger economically. In fact, he's the only one that hasn't sold out to globalists.

 

I've only asked a dozen or more times for a list of Paul's achievements in Congress.

I've received lies.
I've received insults.
I've received avoidance of the question.

I have NOT received any list of any achievements.

One Paulobot copied and pasted from Wiki a 'supposed' list. Listing as achievements a number of Paul sponsored bills that never became law. And one bill that did become law. However that was a law that Paul neither sponsored nor voted for.

There is but one thing I've said about Paul that is not 100% accurate. I said he has achieved nothing in 35 years in Congress. When the fact is that he has been "in politics" for 36 years but only in elected office for 27 years. He lost some time getting defeated running for the Senate and for president.
But has yet to get even one of his major issues passed into a law. 27 years, not one major issue. In fact he has nothing but a couple of "memorial" earmark pork issues, that Congresspeople readily give to each other.

 

From reading previous posts in this and other threads, plenty have given you the answer...you are too ignorant to accept it.

 

Has anyone told you that it is a trick question considering that Congress in its entirety has very few actual positive accomplishments.

Ron Pauls list of accomplishments are the opposition to all of the detrimental legislation that congress has bestowed upon the citizenry.

 

I'll add yours to the long list of non answer answers. It is becoming a long list.

Here are some short lists for you to consider.

The list of state primaries won by Paul in 3 tries for the Presidency.

The list of polls Paul leads in or has led in 3 tries for the Presidency.

The list of other Federal or State offices Paul has been elected to other than his own small Congressional district. He on his 4th try at another office. He has lost the first 3 and is losing the 4th.

List of laws passed that were sponsored by Paul. You may even list his porky "monument/memorial" law, so that you can actually list something.

And I AGREE with much of what Paul says. I do not agree with and detest a lack of ANY results no matter how much I agree with his statements [SOME of his statements] He also says some totally wacko things too.

But I will not waste a vote on a person that SAYS what I want to hear but never has brought ANYTHING to pass.

 

No REAL CONSERVATIVE would ever vote for a member of the Council On Foreign Relations, America's shadow government. I'm talking about Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum. Ron Paul is not a member. Every REAL CONSERVATIVE worth his salt knows Romney's a member of the quasi-communist CFR. Refusing to vote for the commie candidate is a no-brainer. If you disagree, be man enough to tell me specifically why. Also, visit The John Birch Society (http://jbs.org) - the barometer of what's Conservative.

 

I'm a registered Independent, conservative American. I make my own decisions based on MY research. I do not follow any agenda laden radical groups. I do belong to the original tea party and disapprove of all the offshoot Tea Party groups as they are agenda laden whack jobs too.

Being a Paul fanatic is a silly waste of time. He talks and talks and talks and accomplishes nothing but talk. Being that I'm in Paul's same age group, I choose not to waste my time on a do nothing, talker.

If some young lion that actually got things DONE, would take up Paul's wasted banner, I'd be interested.

But a 36 year year record of accomplishing nothing but more talk, WILL NOT change. What Paul IS has long been established. He is a talker, not a doer.

 

Ron Paul is considered one of, if not the most, conservative politician in American politics today. Please note the following excerpts from Wikipedia.

According to University of Georgia political scientist Keith Poole, Paul had the most conservative voting record of any member of Congress since 1937.[178] He has been nicknamed "Dr. No",[19] representing both his medical degree and his insistence that he will "never vote for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution."[30]

One scoring method published in the American Journal of Political Science[179] found Paul the most conservative of all 3,320 members of Congress from 1937 to 2002.[180] Paul's foreign policy of nonintervention[181] made him the only 2008 Republican presidential candidate to have voted against the Iraq War Resolution in 2002. He advocates withdrawal from the United Nations, and from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, for reasons of maintaining strong national sovereignty.[182]

I'm sure many of you will find what is written about Ron Paul to be very informative and educational, as are the submissions on the other Presidential candidates. Do the research, become informed.

 

Answer this for me...

You are in Paul's position. You have ideas that would shrink the size of government. You have ideas that would reduce the burden on the people. You are not in bed with lobbyists. You try to tell people that the bills they propose are not good for the people. You vote in accordance with the people in mind...not your pockets.

How do you get the greed of Capitol Hill and Wall Street to see the light?

 

In 40 years of business, I found honest ways to get things done. No lies, Integrity always was and always will be important to me. But the job HAS to get done. You find what the other Congresspeople want the most that is the least objectionable to your principles. And you work with them and you make the necessary deals. That IS how our Congress WORKS. Yes horrible deals come out of that process, but good deals must be made to happen as well. I've had to fire people that said, "I did my best!" Well, their best didn't pay the companies bills. And ALWAYS somebody NEW got the job done.

 

Compromise has done nothing but move the Republican Party to the left. It’s time we had a real man step up to the plate and tell the nation the truth instead of what they want to hear.

 

"Integrity always was and always will be important to me." - This is the core reason Ron Paul has myself and many others as supporters.

"You find what the other Congresspeople want the most that is the least objectionable to your principles. And you work with them and you make the necessary deals. That IS how our Congress WORKS. Yes horrible deals come out of that process, but good deals must be made to happen as well." - That's just the point. Congress should be doing things for the PEOPLE...not themselves. Most people only lookout for themselves. That's a fact. Is it really hard to believe that Ron is not one of those people and wants to make an honest change to this country. One that will put the people first?

We shouldn't have to have "horrible deals" just to get good ones. Our Congress is corrupt. Ron Paul isn't. The sooner we get Congress to understand that they aren't looking out for us...the sooner ideas like Paul's will get into play.

 

Wow, those are some promising results. Would be nice if the rest of the nation would reflect as such.

 

Ron Paul is considered one of, if not the most, conservative politician in American politics today. Please note the following excerpts from Wikipedia.

According to University of Georgia political scientist Keith Poole, Paul had the most conservative voting record of any member of Congress since 1937.[178] He has been nicknamed "Dr. No",[19] representing both his medical degree and his insistence that he will "never vote for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution."[30]

One scoring method published in the American Journal of Political Science[179] found Paul the most conservative of all 3,320 members of Congress from 1937 to 2002.[180] Paul's foreign policy of nonintervention[181] made him the only 2008 Republican presidential candidate to have voted against the Iraq War Resolution in 2002. He advocates withdrawal from the United Nations, and from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, for reasons of maintaining strong national sovereignty.[182]

I'm sure many of you will find what is written about Ron Paul to be very informative and educational, as are the submissions on the other Presidential candidates. Do the research, become informed.

 

Very thoughtful, articulate, well written post. When you hear him talk his answers in debates are simple and short and to the point. He actually did very well last night, no matter the media telling you who did well. King actually skipped him on an abortion question and the audience screamed at King to ask Paul. Of course that uproar was not even mentioned in the media.

 

No, they're not. Paul's message is good but in debates he rambles on too often and his answers are hardly succinct. Newt is the best at giving short and solid answers.

 

Paul fanatics need to learn how our govt works. Deal making IS how Congress works. That is how it is designed to work. Bad deals do happen, but the same process must also be used to make good deals. Otherwise, its called a dictatorship. Paul had 36 years to learn the system and make good deals. HE DID NOT! He could not work within a system that has worked for over 200 years. Both good and bad. He would not be able to work within the system as president either. b.o. could barely work within the system when his party controlled both Houses of Congress. Paul couldn't either. Now the Congress is split and b.o. is powerless. Just as Paul would be.

You don't have to LIKE the way our govt works, but you have to know how it works or your vote is not going to be an intelligent one. Democracy is a very messy form of government. It has many faults. Its not perfect. Its just better than any other form of government

 

He is indeed the best at giving pure rhetoric with no real backing at all to what he says beyond "his trust". Typical Politician imo..

 

This is true. Ron Paul is not a polished political speaker. Newt is. He kinda reminds me of the used car salesman down the street.

 

Ron Paul basis his answers on facts.

Newt basis his answers on who ever pays him the most money. He does not serve the USA but he does serve the Cartels who own the Federal reserve. What A joke!!!!!

 

anybody that votes for Romney or any of the other candidates other than Paul is a dumb blind sheep and contributing to the decline of america.btw Romney has ties to terrorists.

 

excellent post,thats why my post I just posted after yours stil stands.all the candidates except Paul serve the cartels who own the banks.