Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Especially on immigration and this idea of travel bans curbing Islamic Terrorism.

    I've spent hours upon hours between work attempting to convince these people that travel bans, deportations, ICE raids, the wall, will not work in the long-term, the short-term effects may be here, but will eventually come to die off. All it will do is provoke fear, and America should not be known for a nation that promotes fear through force. The concepts I have presented, a technology-driven vetting system, and simplifying the citizenship process, while giving those already here the option either to work or be given the boot, not outright deportation, is not hard to grasp. And its very sensible, and looking toward the future long-term. I have been given sarcastic responses like, "It must be okay to rob a bank then." These people can't be serious.

    To revise immigration law, so the rule of law and human rights intertwine is a common sense solution.

    I've come to the conclusion people who faithfully believe in Trump, not only the ones who voted for him, but those who stick with him through and through, despite the scandals that have already taken place, will stick with him even if his ship sinks, and won't understand the repercussions until unfortunately, it is too late. And I want to feel bad for these people who experience these repercussions, I really do but it seems they have been convinced so deeply, psychologically, that Trump's deportation forces and travel bans will be surefire solutions, they either lack to see the inherent flaws, deny them, or refuse to even acknowledge them. They are so desperate for "law and order," or for what they see is right that they are unknowingly acting as hypocrites in the process.

    I know some mods here tend to be PC, and might try to edit out what I say. But I operate off of truths, not fantasies or talking points. And the fact is these diehard Trump supporters will only see what Trump presents them, and nothing else, even if what Trump does tramples on the rights of others or violates the right of other organizations to seek funding or be present. To those people, I say I can't say I didn't warn you, but I can't say I won't feel bad for you with whatever healthcare bill or event by happenstance occurs, because the alternatives I presented you are common sense based solutions geared for the future, not for the present.

    What happens in 2018 or even 2020 may very wall fall on your shoulders.
     
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    You forgot the Enquirer.
    What really upsets me is that my own sisters are Trump Chumps. They hated Obama. Hated Hillary. Refuse to agree that Trump is a liar and buffoon.
    I have to give up - you can't debate when people don't even agree on facts.
    In a way, it's the opposite of when Jehovah Witnesses come to my door - they start quoting the bible, and I reply that the bible doesn't represent anything to me - that it is a book of fiction. My sisters are like that with reality.
    I feel sorry for them. Don't even realize they are being played for fools.
     
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    Another "anyone/everyone should be able to come/go from America unchecked/unregulated" liberal. You gunna tell me about the jobs Americans won't do for slave wages? Why we need constant flow of people to exploit? The wall won't stop all the illegal immigration, but combined with actually enforcing immigration laws, it will help.j
     
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    You're trying to demonize someone is just childish
     
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    Kinda like how you people demonize Trump and his supporters?
     
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    Anti-Trumpers are annoyed by an America-first policy. That begs the question, what would they put first?

    I'm guessing they're "one worlders". They'll tell us people are the same all over the world and all cultures have equal value. They'll say the concept of a nation-state is passé. And they'll say the good people of ISIS are no different than you and me. I think that's all a bunch of bullish-t.
     
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    Yeah but Trump deserves it
     
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    n/a
     
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    Your post is making up a bunch of crap
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok. But if the anti-Trumpers are not in favor of America first, then what do they want to put first?
     
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    They are putting America first
     
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    Only factual logic works on us, feelings mean zip..
     
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    Personally, I'm praying that we don't F Up the next planet we ever live on....
     
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    They have a very unique way of showing it. The weakened borders, the lack of security which led to domestic terror attacks here at home. The lack of educational, infrastructural integrity, etc al. The country clearly went downhill while we spent BILLIONS abroad.

    It may very well be 1% but if this government invested even 1% on the middle class in America a lot of problems would be solved. And I'm not one for "throwing money around" but apparently that's what we like to do, if it's not Americans. I basically believe that before we become 'global citizens', we need to do something about homelessness.
     
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    Why? What makes him worse then hill/bill, or reid, or, Feinstein, or.....
     
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    Isn't a Democrat is the answer..
     
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    Trump supporters don't need convincing. If anything the only reason Trump is president is because that failure Obama convinced America we needed a change, and Trump is what we got. The fact liberals still don't get it is no surprise...
     
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    Could it be that a reasonable immigration program dealing with some 14 million people already here as well as smoothing the processes going forward IS putting America first?

    That maybe, just maybe, stopping someone on the street and demanding their "papers" because of the way they look, or the way they speak is UNAMERICAN?

    That denying people due process because of the way they look or talk is UNAMERICAN?

    That walling ourselves in like a Soviet puppet state is UNAMERICAN?
     
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    nothing
     
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    By the time we can get to another planet, we'll have the know how to terraform it. That goes for earth too. The planet has seen much worse then us. In a way, the planet evolved us to shoot at rocks in space and spread earth's genome.
     
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    most of your criticisms are baseless.
     
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    Yes, what they stand for, this unicorn and rainbows idealism has one major problem. It is contrary to human nature, which is more powerful than ideals. Some parts of human nature will even cast rationality and reason aside. There is a reason people separated into nations/cultures. And there is a reason multiculturalism, division, inevitable creates conflict within the society in which it is allowed. We are not talking about subcultures here, where the irish maintain particular things, or Italians who keep their food and some of the ways of Italians in the old country, their dress, so on and so forth. We are talking about non assimilation into American culture, or English culture, or French culture, and keeping the immigrant culture intact. So you have several nations inside one border. Which are opposed to one another. Division creates conflict, and always will. And so it should never be SOUGHT, which is what these unicorn and rainbow people are doing. Sure, one day they would discover it does not work, but that happens after the original culture, society implodes. Too late then.

    Human nature will not be changed by unicorn and rainbow ideals. You cannot force human nature to change, and many have tried. Human nature always prevails, and that includes killing, eradicating, the source of the chaos and disorder, created by ideals created by thinking which does not consider human nature. And seeks to change it. In the world created by human nature, the lion does not lie down with the lamb. The lion kills the lamb and eats it, and all of your ideals will not change this. So, it is rainbows and unicorn thinking which tries to do so. And this is the idiocy of these faux liberals. The childishness of their thinking. Toilet bowl thinking, for it will lead to everything swirling down to the septic tank.
     
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    Their beliefs, put a small group of elites first Not the American people who are not elites. But this is new, coming from faux democrats. That the corporate and banking democratic party has supporters who are not elites, like you, shows just how unintelligent your tribe is. So easily used, and oblivious to what you are doing. The democratic party put labor, and the common man above elite interests It no longer does that and you and your team are ok with it. Hard to understand. Sanders did it, but your team chose a neocon neoliberal over him. And got your arse handed to you. And now you despise those who voted for trump who many would have voted for sanders. This makes your party irrelevant. And your beliefs as well.
     
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    For one who is "done" I wonder why it took 7 paragraphs to say that. Carry on
     
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