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Originally Posted by Col-Rouge";p="
"Human" but not an individual and we tend to forget we are talking about individual human rights -
Well when the embryo / fetus is a "separate individual" it is afforded individual human rights. Until the moment of birth it is the minority part of a duality in which the majority part is the mother.
The mother exercises the rights for the duality and she gets priority over the fetus anyway - by virtue of her cognitive ability, seniority and the simple fact that ultimately - she is the permanent resident of her body whilst the fetus is just "passing through.
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individual - n.- distinguished from others by a special quality...
The unborn's DNA proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is an individual...this isn't rocket science col-rouge...for one who fancies himself so bright, you should be able to grasp this quite easily...tell me, is your ignorance actual?..or deliberate?...my guess is that it is deliberate, as is the case with most pro choicers. You have obviously either been personally involved in an abortion, or rather close to someone who was...and to admit to yourself that the abortion that you were close to was in actuality a murder must be very difficult...and in making such an admission, you would never be able to look at the person who had the abortion in the same way...your willful ignorance is understandable, but it doesn't change the fact that you are holding an indefensible position.
You keep using the word "duality"..Perhaps you don't have a thourough grasp of the word. "Individuals" that compose a duality, are by definition equal...and by definition a duality is comprised of separate entities...one individual can not be a duality. So, if mother and child are a duality, then they must be individual in nature...and if they are individual in nature, and both human, one's right to protection under the law carrys no more weight than the other.
The only hope for you to win this argument is for you to prove that unborns are neither human, nor alive..then you can build a case for terminating them (oops, you can't kill that which is not alive)...While I am not an MD, I do hold a medical degree...and have biology up to the 5000 level...you simply are not going to be able to make the case that unborns are not living human beings...the best you can do is to continue to erect strawmen...I have seen, and destroyed them all...but feel free to keep trying..