But you'll notice that we don't deal with the other issues. The primary difference is that would-be robbers are successfully deterred by laws. Those who would commit abortion are not. Otherwise we would not see the numbers of improvised abortions that we do. The trouble is that when we make laws, we tend to think the punitive measures are enough and ignore all else. Certain laws must exist anyway simply to defend the public. People are less likely to forcibly rob if they know that they will be jailed if caught. There is also a difference in the mentality behind the two crimes.
In the case of abortion, it will be easier and more productive to work on the tougher issues before using punitive measures because for one thing there is no consensus on illegalization, illegalizing it wouldn't prevent (and it's hard to say that it would even reduce) infanticide or abandonment, and because enforcing the laws would be expensive and inefficient. Not to mention that the mentality that leads to abortion is destructive even if the child is not aborted and that is what must be stopped. In short-sightedness, many pro-punitive pro-lifers would coerce people with such a mentality into having children and do nothing about those consequences. I truly find it hard to believe that after illegalization, we'll see a finger lifted to fix the remaining underlying problems. The human race is good at ignoring things.

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Because a Jury will not convinct an accused abortion doctor. This is the reason why abortion is legal in Canada, the police kept charging a doctor who performed an abortion on TV and jury's kept acquiting him. The Jury simply had to remind the government that women have the right to choose.

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HELLO....i was 0% serious on that comment.

Thats why I only support first trimester abortions. At that time, there isn't a chance of consciousness. Second trimester is iffy, and third is complete murder.

Just because a law isn't always unenforceable doesn't mean it should be off the books. Take murder for example...it still happens, but we need to keep it illegal. And if abortion was made illegal, it would be because we deemed it murder.

saying that if abortion was made illegal on account it would be considered murder...is still a little different than shooting someone...and i think it would be hard if not impossible to find a jury that would actually convict on that premise due to the fact at the very least 1 in 12 people are pro choice...

Just another reason we need to educate the public on the stages of life in the womb instead of going with the kneejerk biased positions.

Bump........

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Only two types of people, huh? Well that's interesting. I didn't realise people were so easily compartmentalised.

So which category would I fit in then? I had an abortion when I was younger. I felt awful about it afterwards. You can read up on the details in one of the other threads here before you reply - I don't feel like typing it all out again.

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There was a prochoice comic called Abortion Eve. I'm sure you can find it if you google it..


This was a prochoice comic mindyou, it gave butcher shops and other phone numbers on the back cover you could call.


It was disgusting and at first I thought it was a blatant satire of the prochoice, but then to learn they were serious was even more disturbing..


The characters for one, were either brainless twits who needed to be "liberated" from a child, or canniving monsters.

Secondly, the barrage of constantly derogatory against the child as being a parasite, a burden, etc. How can you convince someone a prochoicer would be capable of loving anything if this is how they feel their own (*)(*)(*)(*)ing child?!

Then ofcourse there was the lies upon lies upon lies UPON LIES. Lie to your preacher, lie to your parents, lie to your boyfriend, lie to everyone. Abortion is nothing to be ashamed of, that's why we keep it a secret.

Oh, and the part that always gets me is "if God were real, He would not judge you on getting an abortion. If that partof your church bothers you, then ignore it or don't go." Wow, God is a protable convience now like a Gameboy.



Everything the choicer movement accuses lifers of being they are guilty of themselves, that's why they do it. Just like how a closet homosexual says "oh man, that guy is so gay..."


It's in some people's nature to try and push their own flaws and disgusting traits onto someone else, let someone else take the blame. This ofcourse would come naturally to anyone who was prochoice. So if you ask me: Being prochoice should be renamed pro murdering assclown who likes to make other people take on the burden of responsibility for thier mistakes.

back at yah.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something