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Mr Massey told Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) that men under his command in the 3rd battalion, 7th Marines, killed "30 plus" civilians within 48 hours while on checkpoint duty in Baghdad.
"I do know that we killed innocent civilians," Mr Massey told the tribunal, relating the chaotic days after the US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
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He does? really? Killing people who don't slow down at checkpoints, after you run out of other options, is standard operating procedures. |
He also said they killed four unarmed demonstrators. I don't consider someone racing toward a checkpoint to be 'innocents.' He does. He says men under his command committed crimes - if that is true, he is responsible.
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"I was never clear on who was the enemy and who was not," said Mr Massey.
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A moron.
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You call him a moron. Ok, Mr. Genius: If a car is headed towards your checkpoint, how do you tell if it is a car bomber or simply a (slightly stupid ) civlian who wasn't paying attention? Its simple, you don't. You shoot, or there's a chance you'll get blown up. The alternative is death.
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I'm Mrs. Genius, if you please. He's the one who doesn't know who the enemy is. You put his statement in the context of speeding cars. He didn't.
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Soldiers very rarely set out to commit "atrocities". Most of the "attrocities" they commit are forced upon them by the situation they are in. They are fighting an enemy with no uniforms, which uses stealth and deceit and disguise to carry out their actions, they look like and drive the same cars as everyone else. Yet you call them stupid if they can't tell difference.
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You obviously read the man's quote with a different context than me.
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You are correct in that a commander would order anyone specifically "to commit war crimes"
Now would you concider mistaken civlilian deaths war crimes?
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I believe the comment was in response to...
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The South Dakota-born soldier is claiming refugee status based on his contention that he was right to refuse to fight in a war which he says was illegal and violated human rights and the Geneva Conventions.
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You seem to have taken a lot of what I said and turned it 180 degrees. I doubt if many people on the board (who are more familiar with me) would make that mistake.