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Originally Posted by ninja";p="
hah! say what you want, my friend. You are rationalizing just like everyone else in this wonderful world
I don't care if the baby is alive.... It doesnt matter if the baby is alive yet! With abortion you are destroying the potential of a person's life, and that's cold blood murder.
Finally... I love my religion, like nothing else. I know of it's truth, and nothing will ever break that knowledge  thank you.
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So presumably by this logic you are against contraception, masturbation and allowing a woman to have period. Because in all these things a potential human life is destroyed.
You don't know of the truth of your religion you have faith. Faith and knowledge are not the same thing. In fact it could be suggested that they are mutually exclusive concepts.
If your faith dicates that you should be against abortion, then fine. BUT people without faith like myself should not be bound by the rules you impose on yourself. Your beliefs are irrational and you are entitled to them but to impose irrational beliefs on someone else is utterly unfair, unjust and simply un democratic.
If you can reason in an effective way as to why abortion is wrong and demonstrate why it is wrong then you do have the right to impose this on others. This is what laws should be based upon. Reasoned debate as to what is best for the greater good. But the only acceptable moves in a rational debate are ones that are based on reason (by definition). So any premises and concepts need to be justfied. Any conclusions need to be reached through the process deductive or inductive reasoning. So God is not allowed in this reasoned debate (unless of course you can do what no theologian has ever been able to do and demonstrate that God does indeed exist).
This was the point I was making about Christian morals. They are stuck in the past. Your coments about nothing being able to break your "knowledge" (really this shuld be faith) in your religion are very telling. By your own admision these will not change. Even in the light of reasoned debate that in actual fact abortion means more people will be happy, that it will aleviate suffering you will not change your mind. You will stick to you guns regardless of the suffering these ideas may cause - simply because you adhere to a dogma. Now thats fine and dandy if you want to live YOUR life like that. But please don't impose your dogmas on me. I have no need for them.