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Originally Posted by sam";p="
I actually don’t believe in atheists. Seriously. I think there are two types of people in the world, those who love God and those who hate God. Either you look around at the incredible nature of existence and are drawn to God, or look at the world as such worthless place that you don’t want to have anything to do with its Creator.
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But reality simply does not match your perception. I enjoy the wonder of the world. I'm a sciencehead precisely because the universe is so awe-inspiring and amazing and cool to think about and study. I believe that humans are more good than not.
But I'm agnostic. Do I hate God? Hardly. I have simply concluded that trying to prove His/Her/Its existence is both futile and irrelevant. He may exist; he may not. I don't particularly care outside of sheer curiousity and "wouldn't it be mind-blowing" speculation. I do not need to believe or disbelieve in God to have a full life, surrounded by friends and family and wonder.
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It is personally unbelievable that someone could simply deny that an intelligence beyond our understanding is behind the development of a fertilized human egg into a child, the incredible beauty of stars being born from nebulae.
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Fair enough, but be humble enough to consider that the problem may simply be a failure of imagination on your part.
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or the Earth’s orbit that must be so precise that were it off by one percent none of us would be pondering anything.
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Case in point. We're here, and looking backward you can examine the chain of events that led to our existence and think "it's a miracle!" But viewed from the outside, you can see our existence as the inevitable end result of the conditions that exist in the universe. If the universe were different it wouldn't have produced *us*, but it might well have produced some other form of life -- which in turn would look back and marvel at the miracle of *its* existence.
If nature required us to be round to reproduce, we'd all be round or we wouldn't exist. Looking backward and say "Wow. What luck that nature was designed to allow round people to reproduce" is merely misunderstanding the direction of causation.
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It seems that an “independent thinker” would find it a bit restricting to limit her/his thoughts to only those that exclude the arcane.
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I think their presence in these threads disproves the idea that nonbelievers exclude the arcane from their thoughts. Everyone thinks about it; some people just aren't convinced by the various brands of belief.