I might agree with your first claim if ALL references to marriage were taken out of law. In other words, people are married by their church, they get a union and civil benefits from the government, gay and straight. Otherwise we suffer a great risk of "separate but equal" being anything but equal.

While I may disagree with your second claim about children, I don't think there is enough reliable studies by unbias parties to prove it either way. However, I do feel that in almost all cases, a childs biological parent is better then none, so if its the choice between the state taking custody of the child or the child going to their gay parent, I think the obvious choice is to give them to the gay parent. In addition, I believe a "gay" family is better than no family at all. Certainly we have no shortage of children that need to be adopted around the world. I hardly think the state raising them is a better option. I feel it's the quality of the raising, and not the gender of the parents, that is most important.

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Christian hate groups? Aren't you the people always talking about "intolerance"? Thought so. Guess who the intolerant one really is. Guess who "HATE" more than Christians. YOU DO!!!

The Bible gives clear references to God's disdain and hatred of homosexuality... It is in black and white print. Homosexuality is an abomination according to God. Enough said.

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Uhhh darling... the name of the thread is 'The Bible and Homosexuality'. My post was in reference to this.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Well... I really don't think God had ANYTHING one way or the other to say about it. Perhaps someone will take a minute to show where GOD in his deep, resonant voice spoke out on the subject. We know MOSES had some thoughts... but Christians will tell you that the laws of the Old Testament were revoked when Jesus came, otherwise we'd all be in hell for eating pork and wearing mixed fabrics. And the only mention I can find in the NEW Testament is some Johnny-Come-Lately from Tarses who never MET Jesus with some not very nice things to say on the subject. But still... not God.

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Newsflash:

The Bible is not the 'be all and end all' of all things in the in the universe.

"Darling"

When the Bible is used to promote prejudice and intolerance it is being misused IMO.

How about this verse?

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Child, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but have eternal life".

In Isaiah 56:4-5, the Lord addresses the eunuchs, and those who do not participate in the dominant culture of preserving name and family through children: "For thus says the Lord: to the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast to my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument better than sons and daughters, I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off."

Note that eunuchs could not keep the covenant in the same way as heterosexuals - they could not dedicate their first born sons for instance - and so, gay people CAN keep the covenant of the Law of Love - to love the Lord God and ones fellow human beings - but the way they do so might be slightly different from heterosexuals.
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywo...34/bible2.html

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The bible is always an extremely poor argument. It was not written by a god. Ther eis no evidence to support that it is factual. Doesnt the bible also say not to mix cotton blends? Should you obey that too?

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If it is in black and white why can't you quote it?

An abomination (like touching pork) can be cured by a ritual bath. Hatred in your heart can be cured by an eternity in hell.