JP5 doesn't want to hear about it...

See no evil, I guess.

Just further re-inforces that fact that when you create "gray area" in whether torture is allowed while simulataneously saying no laws or treaties apply and providing exemption from prosectution to the people involved, then bad things will happen.

And what does this show, it shows that George Bush is NOT a moral person. And the fact that he rated high on morality in the last election just shows how f'ed up the right wing religious groups are. To allow the freedom for two gay people to marry is a sin, but to render a person off the street and without any trial or legal recourse send them to a third party government to get tortured is just fine.

What is kinda sad is that there was an environment directly created by these orders from the white house that condoned abuse and that envoronment made it's way via the CIA and Military police to Abu Ghraid prison. This England girls boyfriend with a sadistic streak took that environment as a blank check to abuse people and this dumb girl went along and ended up with her face is all these photos. Now she is going to get screwed. Sure she was dumb and should not have participated and there are many things that she should have done different. And yes she deserves to be punished for not having the fortitude to say this is wrong in a fubar of a situation. But she is also a pawn in a chess mess where the Administation is setting the rules and she is the one being sacraficed.

I personaly think the secret doctrines by President Bush are a criminal act and if someone deserves to be before a court for abusing prisoners, it is Bush himself for ordering it to happen.