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Old 03-06-2007, 07:39 AM
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George Herbert Walker Bush is one of the main players in the death of our President.Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the FBI and was sent by Hoover to expose the CIA camps in Cuba.L.H.O. was a PATSY.

Kennedy issued money backed by gold and silver,that did not go over well with the International Banker's.He also said he was going to tear apart the CIA.Lee Howard Hunt sued Spotlight Magazine for claiming he was the shooter.Lee Howard Hunt loss his case.

After reading this thread,I felt compelled to post this video.

Watch this video and then do your own research.

http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv
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You are a liar and a fraud.

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I have uncovered a huge Communist conspiracy behind the John Kennedy's assassination.
So not only is there a CIA and government conspiracy to kill Kennedy, but that's just not good enough for you, the CIA and the government were also completely infiltrated with communists at the time... LOL.

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John Kennedy was the most anti Communist President in U.S. history.
That's definitely up for debate.

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John Kennedy never had any intention of ever pulling out of Viet Nam.
Not according to his speeches and actions. And the war in Vietnam was unwinnable and useless. You can always just step back and let communism destroy itself - as the Soviet Union demonstrated. It is a flawed ideology and will only create poverty and totalitarianism.

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Oliver Stone's movie JFK is a huge lie created to "fool" the American public.
Right... If Jews are so rabidly communist, why isn't the state of Israel communist????? Unless you're going to claim the Jews in Israel aren't real Jews...ROTFL...
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:46 AM
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Default Wasn't JF also about Cuban missiles?

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Kennedy from what i understand before his assasination was firm on two of these things:
1. no nukes for Israel
2. no secresy in government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvaZ9pXvYTg

i was wondering if his stand on these had to do with his assasination? if not, perhaps explain other reasons why someone wanted to kill him?
There's also Kennedy's desire to ultimately change our foreign policy. He spoke about ending the "Pax Americana" with American interests being enforced by "American weapons of war." He was also speaking about leaving the Vietnamese to win or lose the war by themselves. Not what the CIA and the military industrial complex wanted to hear...

Also, he had begun to issue United States notes backed by silver and gold. LBJ had the notes discontinued after the assassination:

"On June 4, 1963 President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110 providing him with the authority "to issue silver certificates against all silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption…" This seems like an attempt to bypass the Federal Reserve System by issuing real, silver-backed money to replace counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.

There is a rumor that the "Kennedy silver certificates" were actually printed and that one of the first things President Lyndon B. Johnson did after assuming power was to have the "Kennedy silver certificates" destroyed. In 1964 Johnson, serving as the voice of the Federal Reserve bankers, said, "Silver has become too valuable to be used as money." This amounted to a brazen boast that the bankers would eliminate any money with intrinsic value. On November 22, 1963, the day of Kennedy's funeral, the first 50 million "no-promise" Federal Reserve Notes were released into circulation. The symbolic celebration of the Federal Reserve bankers?"

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It's just I recall measuring Cuban missiles from KH 9 photos in 1976.

So I suppose that JF winning the Cuban missile crisis is another myth.
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It's just I recall measuring Cuban missiles from KH 9 photos in 1976.

So I suppose that JF winning the Cuban missile crisis is another myth.
Not the whole story. Look, Oswald didn't kill JFK and the CIA was definitely involved in the assassination. Had to be. Anyone who believes otherwise is crazy in my opinion. There's too much evidence. A great documentary that comes on the History Channel sometimes is "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". Also, if you haven't seen "JFK" by Oliver Stone you need to check it out. I just watched it for the first time in several years a couple of weeks ago.

The following is from the opening narration: "He inherits a secret war run by the CIA against Cuba. This secret war ends disastrously in 'The Bay of Pigs' invasion in 1961 when Kennedy refuses to provide air cover for the exiled Cuban brigade. Kennedy takes public responsibility for the failure but privately claims the CIA lied to him and tried to manipulate him into ordering an all out invasion of Cuba.

Rumors abound in Washington that JFK has cut a secret deal with Khruschev not to invade Cuba in return for a Russian withdrawal of missiles. Suspicion abounds that Kennedy is soft on Communism. Kennedy also finds himself embroiled in Vietnam.

Kennedy states in a September 2, 1963 interview with Walter Cronkite: "I don't think the war can be won out there. In the final analysis, it's their war. They (Vietnam) are the ones who have to win it or lose it."

Early that summer, Kennedy speaks of his new vision at the American University in Washington: "What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war."

When I first saw the movie, that last quote fell on deaf ears in part because I didn't understand the meaning of the term Pax Americana. This is a variation of the term 'Pax Romana'. Pax Romana is the belief that peace can be achieved by a strong central authority dominating everyone else as the Roman Empire did. But this is a false belief as no true peace ever existed in the Roman Empire. There were constant insurrections, revolutions, assassinations, feuds, and all manner of violence. In addition, no true freedom ever really existed. There was always some degree of tyranny and corruption in the empire.

It definitely looks like Kennedy was actually going to place America in a position of neutrality. That's what the comment about Vietnam seems to indicate as well as the abandonment of the idea of a 'Pax Americana' meaning America was going to stay out of the affairs of other countries. His failure to fully explain this to the American people and to choose a running mate who shared his same vision were critical mistakes. Of course, I'm sure he never suspected his own 'employees' were evil and deceptive enough to murder him.

You've got several people who still say Oswald did it, but that picture of Oswald with the rifle that was given to Time or whatever magazine by the government was CLEARLY doctored. The shadow on the face is different than the shadows in the rest of the picture--and that picture is also used in the movie by the way. So, my question is, if the government went to all that trouble to create and lie about this picture to portray a sinister image of Oswald--what else are they being deceptive about?

A few links: http://www.geocities.com/mdmorrissey/menwho1.htm

http://www.mpimedia.com/new_releases/kennedy

http://www.prouty.org

If you take the time to do your research on the assassination, for every website supporting the conspiracy, you will find one opposing it. You will see people almost violently opposed to admitting that the government could have been involved. You will also see people attacking anyone and everyone who believes there is a conspiracy. First ask yourself, do they have an agenda? And also look at what perspective they're coming from--meaning do they always believe the government's side of the story on any matter and always do what they're told from authority figures? Or ask yourself if they're simply trying to spread disinformation to confuse people and conceal the truth in the matter.
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Another interesting article I just ran across:

CIA FILES AND THE PRE-ASSASSINATION FRAMING OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD

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You've got several people who still say Oswald did it, but that picture of Oswald with the rifle that was given to Time or whatever magazine by the government was CLEARLY doctored. The shadow on the face is different than the shadows in the rest of the picture--and that picture is also used in the movie by the way. So, my question is, if the government went to all that trouble to create and lie about this picture to portray a sinister image of Oswald--what else are they being deceptive about?
Marina admitted taking the picture of Lee with his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle when they lived on W. Neely St. George de Mohrenschildt had a copy of that picture, which on the back of it Lee had written "To my friend George from Lee Oswald 5/IV/63."

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If you take the time to do your research on the assassination, for every website supporting the conspiracy, you will find one opposing it. You will see people almost violently opposed to admitting that the government could have been involved. You will also see people attacking anyone and everyone who believes there is a conspiracy. First ask yourself, do they have an agenda? And also look at what perspective they're coming from--meaning do they always believe the government's side of the story on any matter and always do what they're told from authority figures? Or ask yourself if they're simply trying to spread disinformation to confuse people and conceal the truth in the matter.
I've read books about the Kennedy assassination for years. I read a book entitled "The Unanswered Questions about the Kennedy Assassination" by Sylvan Fox in the late 60's, and it started me on the conspiracy path. In the years since then, I've read Manchester, Bishop, Marrs, Garrison, Grodin, Livingstone, Lifton, Meagher, Wecht, Jones, Weisburg, Epstein, Posner, Summers, Lane, Prouty, Crenshaw, McMillan, and others.

I've walked Dealey Plaza so much I know it like my own back yard. I've stood behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll, stood where Abraham Zapruder stood, stood where Z-313 shows JFK's head exploding. I've been up on top of the triple overpass, and in the railyard (now a parking lot) where Lee Bowers was. I've been up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, over to the rooming house on Beckley in Oak Cliff, 10th & Patton where LHO shot Officer Tippit, and to the Texas Theater. I've been to Love Field, Parkland, and the Trade Mart. I can take you to Tippit's grave in Laurel Land or Oswald's grave in Rose Hill without a moment's hesitation. I've lived, breathed, studied, and immersed myself in the conspiracy theories for over 40 years.

Then I read "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi and had an epiphany - I've wasted 40+ years in a Quixote-like pursuit of something that isn't there. Much as I would like to believe it, much as I would like to think that JFK was assassinated for a cause, a reason, it just isn't so.

One disgruntled, anti-social, politically naive, ex-Marine with a cheap Italian military rifle happened to be in the right place at the right time.
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