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Old 11-08-2005, 07:12 AM
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Default same donation, actually

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I have ever heard in relation to Constantine was the invention by the Church of his kind 'Donation'...
His donation was the Lateran Palace, not a bad chunk of real-estate.
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Oh yes, the one that supposedly gave the Pope power over kingdoms in the temporal world.
A later pope claimed that, never really quite worked out for the papacy, with all those invading armies and all.
Concocted many years later of course, by 'Pepin the Height-Challenged' and his buddies. It was all a loud of bollocks, of course...

"In imitation of our own power, in order that for that cause the supreme pontificate may not deteriorate, but may rather be adorned with power and glory even more than is the dignity of an earthly rule: behold we-giving over to the oft-mentioned most blessed pontiff, our father Sylvester the universal pope, as well our palace, as has been said, as also the city of Rome and all the provinces, districts and cities of Italy or of the western regions; and relinquishing them, by our inviolable gift, to the power and sway of himself or the pontiffs his successors-do decree, by this our godlike charter and imperial constitution, that it shall be (so) arranged; and do concede that they (the palaces, provinces etc.) shall lawfully remain with the holy Roman church.

Wherefore we have perceived it to be fitting that our empire and the power of our kingdom should be transferred and changed to the regions of the East; and that, in the province of Byzantium, in a most fitting place, a city should be built in our name; and that our empire should there be established. For, where the supremacy of priests and the bead of the Christian religion has been established by a heavenly ruler, it is not just that there an earthly ruler should have jurisdiction."

Bad real estate, indeed!


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