11-03-2009, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jackdog
I was just pointing out that the two links you were so proud of in post 72 were about nothing except tiered pricing. Did you even read the links you posted ? Now what links have you posted showing how those dastardly ISPs are out to get us all. Or just let this thread die a leisurely death since nothing you have posted so far justifies the net neutrality act
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The year-old Internet Freedom site was shut down yesterday a week after it posted the Euskal Herria Journal, a Basque-separatist site that has become a flash point for controversy on the Internet, Ellison said. Many people believe that it supports terrorists and should be removed, while others, including the Global Internet Liberty Campaign, maintain it has a right to exist.
Protests over the site led one ISP to cut off the Journal for fear that the outcry would cripple the service along with the Basque site. Since then, cyberlibertarians have rallied around the Journal, basically saying that its right to exist is more important than its actual content.
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http://news.cnet.com/ISP-censorship-..._3-203398.html
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The acceptance of a wide variety of social and political viewpoints is one of our country’s defining features. Nevertheless, very often extremist groups will push the limits of protected speech, and in doing so, offend a large portion of our population. Courts traditionally have allowed such speech, but as the Nuremberg Files demonstrates, ISPs are not always as forgiving. Christiangallery.com, the site that housed the Nuremberg Files, originally was hosted on the servers of MindSpring Enterprises. Nevertheless, once the Nuremberg case had been decided, MindSpring shut down the site on February 5, 1999 and issued a press release stating that “The site was in violation of our appropriate use policy, and we have no plans to restore it.”1 Although the judge had ruled against the defendants in the case, no court order to shut down the site had been issued, and thus MindSpring had no legal obligation to do so. The only part of MindSpring’s appropriate use policy which relates to the Nuremberg Files states simply that “Threats of bodily harm or destruction of property are always prohibited.”2
The Nuremberg Files quickly reappeared, however, under the domain of Plebeian Systems, a small Cincinnati ISP. Nevertheless, a few weeks later, the site was shut down again, but not because Plebeian Systems took issue with the site. Instead, the T-1 provider to Plebeian systems, OneNet Communications, threatened to cut off Internet access to the smaller company if it did not remove the site. An employee of Plebeian was quoted as saying, “Our upstream provider forced us to take it down. They were getting too much heat and email. It kind of sounds like they were blackmailed into it.”3 Interestingly enough, however, OneNet’s usage policy doesn’t state anything about threats specifically, and contains an indemnification policy which frees it from liability for content placed on its system.4 Nevertheless, OneNet asserts that “the language is part of OneNet’s agreement with its T-1 clients.”5 In an ominous follow-up report, OneNet systems wrote the following message to Plebeian systems explaining its decision:
“It is only a matter of time until we get pressure from above regarding you--they have done it many times in the past with spammers and pornographers that were downstream from us...None of those businesses are around today. These people will go after each link of the chain until one of the links break.”6
The identity of those “from above” is unclear, but makes it appear that OneNet can pick and choose to whom it resells Internet access based on the content they host. This situation seems to be a chilling and possibly unprecedented case of a large or top-tier ISP filtering content not directly controlled or even related to its operation. Without any sort of regulation or recourse, it seems that cases like this could only increase with time.
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Great article, contains abbreviated history of ISP censorship.
http://cse.stanford.edu/class/cs201/...ensorship.html
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All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." --Thomas Jefferson
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"If Americans want Obama to behave more like the president they elected, then maybe they should behave more like the voters who elected him".
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And now, a message on trolling the forum.
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