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Originally Posted by poletree";p="
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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p="
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Did it never occur to you that those women's bodies don't belong to me?
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The baby's body doesnt belong to the mother either. Thats the whole point.
You speak about the Mother's right to control her own body while ignoring the child's right to contol IT'S own body. That doesnt seem hypocritical to you?
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Not in the slightest. At a point when the baby could survive outside of the mothers body, I agree. But for a deal of the pregnancy, the fetus is a collection of cells inside the mothers body, which her body produced, and her body is sustaining, and thus, I would consider a part of the mothers body.
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But the baby is genetically distinct from the mother. The fact that the baby is dependent on the mother doesn't negate the baby's right to exist (we are all interdependent to some degree), nor does it make the baby part of the mother. Moreover, unborn babies have an independent consciousness. This link indicates (near the top of the page) that single-celled animals have a consciousness, so I think that it is safe to state that an infant's consciousness begins at conception:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/brainp/Chaoq.htm
Furthermore, the baby's brain waves can be detected at 6 weeks, while viability is typically 22 to 24 weeks.