[quote="Sadistic-Savior";p="203841"]
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Good question comrade, allow me to explain. Socialism is the second stage needed before communism can be established; to get to the final stage (communism) is a process in which we gradually empower the workers and prepare them for whats to come instead of just giving them everything unprepared.
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Who gets to decide when it is time to move on to the next "stage"?
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In order to succeed we must look at the American economic situation instead of copying other nations, prepare workers while empowering them which means educating them, and we must have clear visions & goals of what we intend to do and how to do it when the time comes.
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Yeah, except that you dont really want free speech. That is part of the lie. By "education" they mean indoctrination. They want to limit what information the masses have access to.
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Keep the people educated not only in school but in the workplace and at home. Find ways to keep them interested in politics, economics, philosophy, military. With everyone educated this way the people would be able to see if they were being exploited or not and they could put the corrupt leaders out and replace them through election.
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And if they dont "see" this, then that must mean they are being manipulated somehow...right?
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Him: The American government has never mass murdered it's people.
World War I, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq.
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Dying in a war doesnt = murder. Not sure where you got that idea.
The American government doesnt execute people who disagree with it. Communist nations do that however. Tienamen anyone?
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He is a young Communist don't expect it to make sense. He is stuck in his own self made metaphysical abstraction box. I find it hard to believe that people still believe in the idiocy of Karl Marx after all these years.
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He'll probably grow out of it on his own. But it needs to be explained to him WHY it is wrong. If someone had done that with my I would not have languished under the Communist illusion as long as I did.
He is young, and young people want immediate solutions to everything. Immediate solutions usually require extremism.
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When the second stage (socialism) begins is all determined by the economic conditions at the time. As for free speech, its always neccessary in order to have a functioning society because without it we cant be criticized and if we arent criticized we wont know what problems or mistakes are taking place. When I first started on the politicalforum I was uneducated and naive but because of criticism I was made to get off my high-horse and study the controdictions, because of that Im a better debator and a better person; the moral of that is that we must listen to all oppinions even if we disagree with them inorder to succeed. Youre smart to be suspicious when I say education, I would be to if I were in your place because revolutionaries are notorious for propaganda. However Im different and by education Im talking about seiously teaching the masses about economics, politics, etc. and if they disagree they should be listened to; if their right then changes should be made on my part but if their wrong then correct them. The important thing in education though is to make sure that all the information is given, by limiting information it shows cowardice in the teacher but a true teacher never cencors anything and allows everyone to see all aspects of the subject inorder for them to make up their own mind, even if their decision is not the one you hoped for. S-S is right though when he says that people who dont know if their being oppressed are manipulated, its true. That fascist tactic was used by both the U.S.S.R. & the Nazis and is still used by N. Korea, China, and Cuba. Its nothing more than propaganda used by those afraid of losing their grip. On mass murder, if you die in an unjust war and youre leaders continue on with that war then its mass murder on their hands which is why I mentioned WWI, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. I'll agree that the U.S. hasnt done anything like Tienenman Square but with civil liberties at stake like they currently are I wouldnt be suprised if it happened. I have nothing against S-S for changing his views and, (oddly enough) I kind of see S-S as an old friend and the fact that he disagrees with me and hates my politics makes all the better. Besides, without opposition politics is no fun and it becomes a bland, tastless subject.