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Originally Posted by hansmoleman
The death penatly is used as a deterrant for those who brutally murder other people.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
Deterrent for the actual murderer or other potential murderers? The actual murderer is behind bars so is no longer a threat to the public. Execution is NOT a deterrent to other potential murderers. All it does is teach that society deems it ok to kill someone in certain circumstances...they use that to justify their crime.
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The death penalty is both a deterrent for the murderer and the future murderer. The murderer is now dead and cannot kill again and the future murderer sees the consequences of that illegal action and might reconsider a criminal act. I personally disagree with the death penalty. However I can see the reasoning behind it. In contrast, innocent babies don't deserve to die. It makes more sense that a convicted murder would deserve to die in certain situations, because they are guilty of a heinous crime. A baby has done nothing wrong.
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
Sounds like you’re back peddling.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
Not backpeddling, just trying to show the hilarity of trying to present something so primitive as a human being.
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What are you talking about???
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
SO WHEN DOES IT HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS???!!! Quit dodging the question.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
I'm no doctor, but I know enough about science and have enough common sense to know that you can't have a conciousness without a brain or brain waves.
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I’ve played along with your whole “consciousness = life” theory and you have yet to tell me when a human fetus gains consciousness or produces brain waves. This is crucial to your crumbling argument. If you cannot identify with 100% certainty the specific instance when a human fetus gains “consciousness / brain activity” then you could be murdering human beings. I don’t know how to explain this any simpler. AGAIN, PLEASE GIVE ME A SPECIFIC POINT IN GESTATION!
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
Don’t you think that we should know that before any abortion? There’s that whole murder problem again.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
Totally agree.
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Then why are you still arguing your point. This discussion should be over.
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
These are all stages of a HUMAN being.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
A corpse is also a stage.
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A corpse is not alive, which differentiates it from all the stages of a LIVING human being I mentioned earlier. Not sure what your point is.
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
Come on, are you kidding. You just said that a fetus is “NO DOUBT ALIVE”.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
Of course, just as human cancer is alive or your foot alive. Just because it is living human tissue doesn't mean it deserves merit as an individual entity.
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A cancerous tumor and human foot are not the same as a human being. They don’t develop into a human child, adolescent, adult, as a human fetus does. When a male and a female have sex, they don’t produce a baby foot or a little baby tumor. They produce another human being. It is important that you understand this basic concept of human reproduction.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
What the verse basically says is that if the woman only miscarries, the offender only pays a penalty, but if the woman dies, the offender shall also be put to death. So basically, your Bible is saying that a fetus is NOT of equal worth to an adult woman. That actually justifies abortion more than detracts from it.
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Here’s what you missed. If someone ACCIDENTALLY causes a woman to miscarry then they must pay a fine determined by the family and approved by the courts. The verse does not go on to discuss the penalty of INTENTIONALLY causing a woman to miscarry. Common sense would say that the punishment would be more severe. So it is obvious that the human fetus has significant worth according to the Bible.