You're getting human rights mixed up with civil liberties, ice. I know, civil liberties are a part of human rights but by saying something like "Do we even have human rights in the US?" you sound really whiny. Human rights are generally more like the ability to believe what you want without being thrown in a nasty prison or crushed by a tank. That's generally what people have in mind. Being listened in on is a violation of civil liberties perhaps, but it's certainly not being crushed by a tank. Just trying to put things in perspective. Perhaps you should try posting something like this in the civil liberties forum above. Actually there are already about a hundred threads on this topic you could post in. Just trying to help.

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