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How do you know that a fetus is not alive???
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Its 'alive', just like a tree. It has no formed brain or brain waves so it has no consciousness.
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My point is that brain waves do not equal consciousness.
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Brain waves do not necessarily equal consciousness, but the lack of any does equal no consciousness.
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I’m just trying to get you to commit to one of your definitions of life.
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My definitions of life as defined by you. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.
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Science will tell you that sex between a male and female human can produce another human. This is called reproduction. It is very scientific and natural. Stopping it is unnatural.
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Unnatural does not always equal wrong.
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I believe life begins at conception. There is nothing political or religious about that statement. If anything, it is supported more by science.
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A fetus is living tissue, yes. An individual counscious human entity, no.
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Two quick examples are when you press on a pregnant woman’s abdomen the fetus often responds with movement or a kick. Or if she drinks something cold and sweet, the fetus will often respond with more movement.
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These kinds of things happen further along in the pregnancy at like 5+ months. I will agree with you that the baby is alive at that point and abortions should not be permitted.
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SO, if you believe that a fetus(living) and a corpse(already dead) cannot be murdered, then what are the remaining stages of human life that are worth more than others when it comes to the issue of murder??? (child, adolescent, elderly, etc?)
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All stages in between are equal and are subject to murder. Don't think I'm some cruel person trying to condone baby killing. I'm just trying to go against the propoganda that Lil Johnny is down there practicing for football when its still a glob of tissue.
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Don’t you think it’s interesting how if a murderer kills a pregnant woman they could face two counts of homicide, not just one. But on the other hand if the mother elects to terminate the unborn baby through an abortion, it’s perfectly fine? If the fetus is not alive like you say it’s not, then there should be no penalty for causing a woman to miscarry. Right?
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Agreed, this is hypocrisy. All this of course, depends on how far along in the pregnancy either event occurs.
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First of all, you have yet to tell me when life begins so by your own definition
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Sometime during the second trimester. My stance is that abortions should be limited to first trimester only, except in the case of the health of the mother. Happy?
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An abortion is INTENTIONAL not ACCIDENTAL. Do you see my point?
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I see what you are trying to say, and if it is true, it further shows stupidity of the Bible. Punishing someone for a true accident?
You have to see what I'm saying also though. Despite whether it is intentional or accidental, it says that further harm to the mother is of greater importance than the miscarriage.