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Old 05-31-2007, 01:08 PM
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Strike on. Its just a change of power and higher-ups don't like the fact that they no longer have the edge. If you have the power to get what you want, get it. And i think they do, being that doctors and nurses are needed. I would also like to know the pay of all these people going on strike. Do they make livable wages? Can one income support a family?
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Strike on. Its just a change of power and higher-ups don't like the fact that they no longer have the edge. If you have the power to get what you want, get it. And i think they do, being that doctors and nurses are needed. I would also like to know the pay of all these people going on strike. Do they make livable wages? Can one income support a family?
So, you would have allowed the air traffic controllers to strike in the 80's? You would sit back, and allow the airline industry to collapse? You would allow millions of dollars worth of daily economic damage, while they picketed?

What if you had an auto accident. Two broken legs, a few broken ribs, and maybe a collapsed lung. "Sorry Douggie," Mr. Surgeon says, "we're on STRIKE. If you need medical assistance, then see if one of the nurses will try and fix you. It ain't gonna be me, because my needs are more important than yours."
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The worst effect so far is all the school kids haning around in the streets today. The police union decided not to strike, but go on a go slow instead. In all honesty, and with respect to the hard working police men we DO have in the force, I don't quite know how we'll notice the difference!

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Strike on. Its just a change of power and higher-ups don't like the fact that they no longer have the edge. If you have the power to get what you want, get it. And i think they do, being that doctors and nurses are needed. I would also like to know the pay of all these people going on strike. Do they make livable wages? Can one income support a family?
So, you would have allowed the air traffic controllers to strike in the 80's? You would sit back, and allow the airline industry to collapse? You would allow millions of dollars worth of daily economic damage, while they picketed?

What if you had an auto accident. Two broken legs, a few broken ribs, and maybe a collapsed lung. "Sorry Douggie," Mr. Surgeon says, "we're on STRIKE. If you need medical assistance, then see if one of the nurses will try and fix you. It ain't gonna be me, because my needs are more important than yours."

The pay increase for air traffic controllers costs less than the millions, if not billions of dollars a day in economic damage. It would be more worthwhile to give them their raise. For the information here is what was asked "across-the-board wage increase of $10,000/yr for controllers whose pay ranged from $20,462 to $49,229; the reduction of a five-day, 40-hour work week to a four-day, 32-hour work week; and full retirement after 20 years service -- a package with a $770 million price tag.((probably the salary and bonus of all the airline execs combined))" There would have been more economic damage done in a few days. Therefore, worth it.
And, as for the surgeon, if they can get it, they are worth it. (smells like capitalism??)
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If everyone was allowed to strike to get more money people would be on strike more ofter. The more pay increases they get the more prices of goods and services rise and then the need for more strikes to get more money to countact the effect of striking.
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The majority of strikes are put in place when it becomes obvious that the cost of living is moving at a higher rate than the wages "AND" the reality of the money being made is not being distributed to anyone but the higher ups.

More money being created from profits should mean more money for the people whose work creates those profits. It is true capitalism.

Anyone who demands money that "isn't" there, really isn't there, probably needs to be replaced.
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I think a lot of this stems from not being open and honest with how much the company can actually afford to pay employees. If they are sincere, then open up the books and show unions the profit margins and be straight up with how much they can afford to give and still continue operations. Win-win situation.

Unfortunately that won't happen because people are greedy and dishonest. Federal law will never mandate honesty with unions because big business funds their campaigns in a process called lobbying. People during the progressive era understood these concepts. Personally, I'm ready for a second progressive period.

Seriously, how does anyone plan to enforce a ban on strikes anyway? We have seen extremely bloody strikes in history with entire cities violently rioting in support of unions. Government is often forced to use federal troops on its own people in these extreme circumstances. Is this what we want to see happen again?

Understand that the workers' point of view is really everyone's, because we are all workers.
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So, you would have allowed the air traffic controllers to strike in the 80's? You would sit back, and allow the airline industry to collapse? You would allow millions of dollars worth of daily economic damage, while they picketed?

What if you had an auto accident. Two broken legs, a few broken ribs, and maybe a collapsed lung. "Sorry Douggie," Mr. Surgeon says, "we're on STRIKE. If you need medical assistance, then see if one of the nurses will try and fix you. It ain't gonna be me, because my needs are more important than yours."
A total collapse in industry caused by union activism is this syndicalist's dream. The aneurysm I developed from years of labor stagnation may be quelled thinking about the exact time when employers realize their buying power is outmatched.

At the minimum level, all corporate charters should include the right to organize. If we are to continue along that strain of improbable thought, unions should be rendered unnecessary for the public sector and replaced with workers' councils. Good luck seeing anything like that occur, though; effectively empowering over half the labor force would be a nightmare for the small and large business owners alike.
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