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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p="
I agree with entsetzen on this one. I fear that if the pro-life ever manage to overturn Roe they'll simply call it the end and walk away. Meanwhile the issues will still exist and the causes of abortion will only be ignored. Just like the war on drugs. That's why I think we should keep abortion legal until we can solve the more difficult problems. As long as abortion is legal, the issue will be on the table. If it becomes illegal, nothing will be solved other than in a symbolic way and the issue will no longer be on the table.
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I agree that there are other socioeconomic / ethical issues or “difficult problems” that contribute or correlate to person’s decision to have an abortion. These issues need to be addressed but I do not think that the banning of abortions done for reasons of convenience should be delayed while we try to figure out the other contributing factors. Example) People that rob convenience stores also have other difficult issues contributing to the crime, but we don’t legalize it because we haven’t figured out these other problems. Otherwise we’d have no convenience stores. We made the offense illegal and enforced the law with punishment, and that makes people think twice about doing it. Now you go about addressing the other issues.
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Originally Posted by Wildbore";p="
I agree, nothing will be solved, except wasting everyones time. Like I said in my above post though, if abortion becomes illegal, it will simply become legal again soon after, as the law will not be sustainable. This is something the anti-abortion people are ignorant of.
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Why won’t the law be sustainable?
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Originally Posted by roux-en-y
No. So can I interpret that as say…Day 91 or Day 98? Around 14 wks, the approximate end of the first trimester. There can be no approximations. It has to be a precise moment. It’s tough, I know. You backed yourself into this corner. You have to know the exact moment or abortion could then be murder, by one of your various definitions.
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Originally Posted by offspring13";p="
Day 94, 13 hours, 21 minutes, 4 seconds
Sheesh, I've already answered your question, stop reaching.
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Not every fetus develops at the same rate. Some will meet your criteria for life before that day. That would be murder by your definition. You’ve argued your way into this corner and now you have to explain why. Why 94 days, 13 hrs, 21 min and 4 sec. I imagine that you were only halfway serious given the smiley face following your answer. What is the reasoning behind your answer? Why that specific moment? Why not a few weeks earlier or a few weeks later?
I’d love to hear your answer, but if you’re going to be honest with yourself, the answer will likely be that you’re not sure or that you don’t know. You see, you can’t know when every developing fetus attains “consciousness”, and therefore life (by your definition). So now, why 94 days, 13 hrs, 21 min and 4 sec?