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wonders if SS gets dizzy with all the spinning he does..
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No, I get dizzy correcting all the constant misquoting actually.
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Was: Iraqis will greet our soldiers with rose petals.
Now: Need to firebomb Iraq.
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I dont recall ever saying we need to firebomb Iraq.
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Now I'm no biographer of Bill Buckley, but I do read his columns when I get my bi-weekly copy of National Review, and I have many of his books. Buckley is a legend in the movement, he is perhaps the most respected member if for no other reason due to his grandfather appearance in the conservative movement.
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Which means absolutely nothing to me. I dont care about his credentials if his arguments dont make sense.
I consider Pat Buchanan extremely intelligent as well. I dont agree with him either though. You can be a very smart guy and still be wrong.
Like I said, I am not intimately familiar with Buckley's positions, but he comes across as an isolationist to me and always has.
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Buckley's biggest problem with Bush JR has always been Bush's complete dedication to big government, which Buckley see's a hearsay to all that is conservative.
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Which it technically is. But I have always maintained that. We are called
NEO-cons for a reason. We are conservative mutants. That is why teh distinction between paleoconservatives and Neocons is important. We do not see eye to eye on all issues.
I agree with Buckley that Reagan was not a true neo-con, although he had neo-con traits. Bush Jr. is the first President we have had that I would consider a true neo-con.
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If I read correctly the context about "in four years we where in Japan" wasn't a comment about how exactly the two wars where similar, but how the fact remains in 4 years we concurred three of the most powerful empires of that area, and in almost 4 years we haven't been able to stop a bunch of peasants fascist and cowards who blow up innocent women and children.
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Some of the variables were different; we did not do surgical strikes in your example, because we were not expected to. Yes, when you dont have to worry about blowing up civillians, war is MUCH easier to wage.
How much flak would we get now if we used tactics similar to what we used in WWII? A hell of a lot more than we are getting now.
Being the good guys means we have to do some things that are difficult, more time consuming, and expensive. That is the price you pay for being the good guy.
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Therefor Buckley believes that only the Iraqi's themselves can solve this problem, and to a extent his is correct
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That information is not new...we assumed that from the beginning. Even Bush is saying that. There has never been a question of
IF we are turning things over to the Iraqis. The only question has been
WHEN.
He is expecting the outcome to be as clean or cleaner than it was in WWII. and that is simply not possible given the additional limitations that bind us today. His expectations are not reasonable.
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What is funny is when they first came on the scene Buckley, Meyer, Kirk, and the rest where known as the "New Conservatives".
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Heh heh, oh the irony.
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Fact is the neo con/ paleo con labels simply don't work
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How? This very thread underscores the fact that they DO apply.
Neo-cons have very very different views from Paleo-cons regarding foreign policy. And foreign policy is to conservatives what social policy is to liberals. That is, it is their MAIN issue.
So yes, labeling conservatives according to their position on the MAIN conservative issue is reasonable and appropriate.
Most conservatives agree on fiscal matters...and before you bring up Bush's big-spending, you should know that there are lots of neo-cons that criticize him. Both Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin come to mind. I am sure they are not the only ones.
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Paleo/neo isn't enough if you really want to understand the conservative movement you got to dig your teeth into it, not just lick the surface.
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Maybe. Paleo/Neo is a good place to start though.
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He's not one of them and there is no need for any real conservative to support him.
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Well, there is ONE need. All their alternatives are worse.