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Old 06-09-2004, 01:31 AM
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Demosthenes, do you have the right to say whether a cripple can live or die even if your the cripples father or mother? no you don't whatever happened to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? all those are taken away from the baby!

i look at it like this
the womans rights vs the baby's rights and the baby's life well i guess the baby wins because of life...

What I want to know is what gives you the right to tell a woman that she has to have a baby that she doesn't want to have? What right does the state have? You honestly believe that you can force a women to go through morning sickness, bearing a child for nine months, and giving birth so you can sleep better at night? Do you honestly believe that the state has more authority over a woman and her body than she does? If you do, you have a funny idea of individual liberties.

-Demosthenes

You make the point exactly - what right does the State have - unless we presume the individual is a chattel of the State.
The rights are divided between the mother and the child her body will bear. The question is whose rights should prevail.
Since the mother lived within the body before conception and will remain within the body after birth/abortion whatever.. the mothers decision is critical and should be treated as the final decision on whether to go full term or not.
We see everyday people who think they know best - not for themselves but for everyone else. They rarely do know best, they are usually seen as interfering busy-bodies. In this instance with such a serious matter we need to protect women from the busy bodies whose well intentioned but misguided opinions would deny them their sovereign right of choice.

Well I'm glad at least someone out there agrees with me.

-Demosthenes
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