genocide, who decides who pays?

halla · #1 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 05:15 AM

here we have the noble spanish prosecuting egregious human rights crimes originating in another country:

Spanish judge charges Rwanda's military with genocide
..........
Judge Fernando Andreu of the National Court acted under a Spanish legal doctrine that allows courts here to prosecute egregious human rights crimes even if they are alleged to have occurred in other countries. (AP)

and yet are silent on their own participation in genocide:

Quote:

Just to see how far off I was in my eight-year search for any and all 20th Century genocide, I went through all the tables in my Statistics of Democide and tabulated cases of colonial democide I recorded there. For colonies by Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom, in Africa and Asia, 1900 and after, my grand democide total is 870,000 murdered. This measures a human tragedy by itself, but is nonetheless puny in comparison to just the many millions murdered by Leopold in his private Congo Free State. I have only a low of 25,000 for this. I recorded no democide for Belgium, although it may have been responsible for close to a million once it took over the Congo. And I get just 22,000 forced laborers murdered by the French in building a railroad in the French Congo.

Now, we have these estimates:

Britannica, "Congo Free State" claims that the population declined from 20 or 30 million to 8 million.

A 1904 report by Roger Casement's estimated that as many as 3 million Congolese died since 1888 (cited in Gilbert's History of the Twentieth Century; also in Colin Legum, Congo Disaster (1972).

Peter Forbath (The River Congo (1977) claims that at least 5 million killed.

John Gunther (Inside Africa (1953) estimates 5-8 million deaths.

Adam Hochschild (Leopold's Ghost mentioned above) estimates 10 million, or half the original population from 1885 to 1920.

Fredric Wertham, A Sign For Cain: A Exploration of Human Violence (1966) estimates that the population of the Congo dropped from 30M to 8.5M, a loss of 21.5 million.

Because of all this, I've reevaluated the colonial toll. Where exploitation of a colony's natural resources or portering was carried out by forced labor (in effect slavery of a modern kind), as it was in all the European and Asian colonies, then the forced labor system built in its own death toll from beatings, punishment, coercion, terror, and forced deprivation. There were differences in the brutality of the system, the British being the least brutal and Leopold and the French, Germans, and Portuguese the worst. We all know what the Soviet gulag was like. These colonizers turned Africa into one giant gulag, with each colony being like a separate camp.

Now, I estimate that over all of colonized Africa and Asia 1900 to independence, the democide was my original 870,000, plus 50, 000,000 more......

http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/20...-democide.html

SenaxFlatulus · #2 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 09:57 AM

Wrong forum again.

This one is about latest news.

Your link is dated December 2005.

That's a tad longer than 72 hours making it older than "Latest World News"

halla · #3 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 05:36 PM

Spanish judge charges Rwanda's current military with genocide

The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 6, 2008
MADRID, Spain: A Spanish judge indicted 40 members of the Rwandan military Wednesday on charges of terrorism and genocide, accusing them of mass killings of civilians after seizing power in the wake of the 1994 ethnic slaughter.
.....

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=9794505

the other article was to demonstrate the low moral rectitude of those espousing high moral rectitude issues!

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