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now aka ak 47, don't pull an ashley. the topic of the thread is "a graphic demo of antisemitic trends in dhimmi England "

kept to task, please.

as a point of information, i did not place the post here.
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"Violent assaults soared to 112, up by more than a third on 2005.

Incidents ranged from the unprovoked stabbing of a Jewish man in north London to the sending of hate mail and the vandalism of Jewish cemeteries and synagogues. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
stabbings, vandalism and hatemail are hardly mere "discomfort and concern".

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We conclude that it is the Jewish community itself that is best qualified to determine what does and does not constitute anti-Semitism.
So in Palestine is it the Palestinians who record anti-Palestinian attacks and anti-Palestinian racism?
We are talking about anti-Semitism in Britain. It would be analogous to anti- Arabism in Britain, not in "Palestine." Your analogy is like saying in Israel it is the Israelis who record anti-Israel attacks and anti-Israel racism.
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now aka ak 47, don't pull an ashley. the topic of the thread is "a graphic demo of antisemitic trends in dhimmi England "

kept to task, please.

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Response to recommendations 3, 4 & 5
The Government welcomes this recommendation. The Home Office is currently reviewing data reported by police forces to the Department. The Office of Criminal Justice Reform is currently reviewing the minimum dataset published annually by the Home Office under section 95 of the Criminal Justice Act. We are also currently working with police forces to identify better and more consistent ways of collecting and managing data on hate crimes including anti-Semitic incidents and crimes. This should be in place by 2008-09.
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../7059/7059.pdf

It will only be from 2010 that any reliable data will be available.
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It will only be from 2010 that any reliable data will be available.
is a deliberate misrepresentation of what was said:
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We are also currently working with police forces to identify better and more consistent ways of collecting and managing data on hate crimes including anti-Semitic incidents and crimes. This should be in place by 2008-09.
perhaps this quote should have been used:

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The Government shares the Jewish community’s concerns over recent manifestations of antisemitism. We are specifically concerned about significant indications that, unlike other forms of racism, antisemitism is being accepted within parts of society instead of being condemned. We are also aware that current rhetoric
about Israel and Zionism (from the far-right, the far-left and Islamist extremists alike) employs antisemitic motifs that are consistent with ancient forms of hatred towards Jews.
The rising tide of antisemitic discourse and antisemitism on university campuses is of equal concern. .....
then the increase in antisemitic events as demonstrated per graphs over the years will be understood.

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We recommend that the EUMC Working Definition of antisemitism is adopted and promoted by the Government and law enforcement agencies.
and what is this working definition??

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Working definition: "Anti-[S]emitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti[-S]emitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities."
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Contemporary examples of anti-Semitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as a collective - such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g., gas chambers), or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination (e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor).
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/56589.htm

http://eumc.europa.eu/eumc/material/...tion-draft.pdf

now if ak-47 is ashley then ak-47 would be guilty of antisemitism as defined by EUMC, a standard that the british authorities wish to adopt.

would this british cartoon pass the EUMC definition.

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now for a personal opinion. the british efforts are merely a public relations scab covering a septic antisemitism shared by both the british and the emerging dominant islamic community. a p.r. stunt to give face validity where content validity is lacking. the graphs constructed by T.A.U. demonstrate an evolving purulent antisemitism in england that is in the warp and weave of the culture as demonstated from the "white paper" to this white wash.
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