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Old 09-19-2006, 07:59 AM
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Nice to know that you're a closet leftist SS, after all you don't believe in the very founding ideals of this country.
It isnt something I have exactly made a secret about on this forum. It is common knowledge.

I see the founding fathers as proto-American versions of us. Just as the ape-like proto-humans were the precursors to real humans. They had some good qualities considering the times they lived in, but they were morally inferior to modern Americans in virtually every way.

That is not a typical Neo-con belief. It is something that is (as far as I know) unique to me. I do not kneel and worship at the alter of the Founding Fathers. They had many belief's that are morally repugnant to me.

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That is exactly what makes Neo-Cons so dangerous, they're leftists who don't realize it.
Honesty about our beliefs is the reason Neo-cons are dangerous to people like you. Because our honesty is part of the reason we appeal to the masses.

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Me: It doesnt say that it can never be changed.

That was the intent.
Who (living now) gets to define their intent?

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The distinction between our Republic and a democracy is not an idle one. It has great legal significance.
Irrelevant even if true, because we are discussing the current use of the word "democracy". Not what the Founding Father's believed democracy was.

We did not start out as a democracy (using our current definition) but we are a democracy now. We evolved into one.

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The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4).
We have that. I have already said that the terms are not mutually exclusive. We fit the definition of a Republic as well.

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Government; Republican government. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated.
Case in point. Note my emphasis. Even if we voted on every issue DIRECTLY we would still be a Republic by definition. YOUR definition.

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Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy.
Again, note my emphasis. This is YOUR definition. We fit the definition of a democracy as well.

The words are not mutually exclusive. Even in this case.

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Me: He is wrong because he is not the final authority on Mathematics.

ROTFLMAO. So 2+2=4 is wrong in this case?????
The fact that he might be right in that one instance does not make him a final authority on Mathematics. It is sad that this needs to be explained to you.

As I already explained however, your analogy is flawed. Because Math is an exact science, not a subjective opinion. Morality (politics) by contrast, IS based on subjective opinion. You really dont see a difference?

Why is it so important to you for me to be wrong?

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He's definitely coming out of the closet.
I've been out for a while now.

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His economic views on the role of government put him to the left of Hillary Clinton...
If you believe that, then you do not understand my economic views.

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He seems to think the government can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants.
With the People's consent, yes.

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The neo-cons took advantage of the mob rule idea to spark up the social cons... and the likelihood is they will be consumed by the monster they've created or switch sides to contain it.
You make the assumption that Neo-cons are using it only as a tool...that we do not really believe in the concept that the masses should be able to change any laws they want to. Your assumption is wrong.

This monster was created with deliberate intent.

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I would say he's 16...
There's an easy way to tell that I am older than 16:

1) I dont use petty insults.

2) I dont use pointlessly excessive punctuation.

Those are things commonly used by teenagers.
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