Originally Posted by halla

shallow, there is nothing either in the blog nor the excerpt you gave that stated that in 20+ years there would be a hispanic majority in the united states. your argument is naked of anything but your vacuous assertion.

Originally Posted by halla

so shallow, i would say "a man who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool". i could also argue that being hispanic doesn't make one an 'import' and to say so is racist.

Originally Posted by halla

puerto rico is populated by hispanics and puerto ricans are citizens (since 1917) of the united states.

Originally Posted by halla

you sourced a blog and that is ok, but let me source from infoplease who claim to use the united states census.

Originally Posted by halla

you only expose your inadequacies.

Originally Posted by halla

sorry shallow you are pointing at the wrong party. contact

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they deserve full credit for the statistics, i take credit for the colorful language. you can take credit for being wrong.

Originally Posted by halla

shallow:

i smell a rat, i see it floating in the air, i think i'll nip it in the bud.

nipping: since it was you shallow that introduce the 20+ year ethnic tipping point and since it is you shallow that now calls it irrelevant, thus making you relevantly irrelevant by your own words

Originally Posted by halla

This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/21167

YIPPY TI YI YO, EUROPE!
by Victor Davis Hanson
NRO
February 22, 2008

Neuroticism abroad.


In the last few days, we've been reminded yet again that Europe's radical secularism, atheism, socialism, multiculturalism, childlessness, and aging population make a fascinating but unstable mix — a lovely, fragile orchid in a thinly protected greenhouse.

Kosovo has just declared its independence from Serbia, and what follows could be nightmarish. An oil-rich, bellicose, and rearming Russia doesn't much like the new breakaway state. But France, Germany, and most of the European Union — other than its Orthodox members and those in close proximity to Vladimir Putin — encouraged it. To paraphrase Joseph Stalin, "How many divisions does the EU have?"


Recently Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking on German soil, told cheering Turkish workers and Germans of Turkish ancestry that assimilation is "a crime against humanity" — in between demands that the European Union admit his increasingly Islamicized Turkey to full membership. The American press passed over Erdogan's broadside, but it was a revolutionary, nationalist appeal to German residents of Turkish backgrounds, over the head of, and contrary to, the German government itself—eerily like, mutatis mutandis, Hitler's appeal in the late 1930s to the supposedly oppressed Germans of Czechoslovakia. Meanwhile Norway is about to request 100,000 Turkish guest workers for its cash-rich but labor-poor economy. The French, however, are sighing ‘been there, done that,' as police sweep public housing projects in the Paris suburbs looking for Muslim immigrants implicated in past riots.

The British press claims that Muslim immigrants committed over 17,000 acts of "honor" violence in Britain last year. Perhaps in response, the Archbishop of Canterbury conceded that imposition of a parallel system of sharia law in the United Kingdom might be "unavoidable." Iran just warned Denmark to silence its newspapers, which once again are republishing caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

Meanwhile, many European NATO troops in Afghanistan rarely venture into combat zones, even as U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pleads in vain for Europe to send over a few more thousand from its nearly two-million-man standing army. A recent Pew poll revealed that in many European countries only about 30-40 percent of those surveyed have a positive opinion of the United States.

How do all these diverse narratives and agendas add up? The vaunted European multicultural, multilateral, utopian and pacifist worldview is now on its own and thus will get hammered as never before in the unrelenting forge of history. Very soon there will be no more George W. Bush to dump on, hide behind, and blame for the widening cracks in the Atlantic alliance. Instead Europeans may well have to call on the old pro, Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama, to lead them in negotiating sessions with jihadists, Iran, and Russia.

Consider Kosovo again. Europe is invested, quite rightly I think, in promoting its independence. But it is a Muslim country in a post-9/11 landscape, with a history of drawing not only Albanian but also Middle Eastern jihadists to its defense. Russia and Serbia together have the military wherewithal to invade it tomorrow — Serbia by land, Russia by air — and end its breakaway experiment — to the relief of some Eastern European and Orthodox European states, and to the humiliation of the EU. What stops them is not a few NATO peacekeepers but the commitment of the United States to use its vast resources to further the European agenda of stopping Serbian ethnic cleansing and aggression.

Yet consider our dilemma. Why would we intervene abroad in a third war when our allies have lectured us ad nauseam about the amorality of military intercession, have shown little interest in fighting jihadism in Afghanistan or Iraq, and have made clear that they want very little to do with the United States? And after 9/11, why would the United States rush to the aid of a Muslim country in a war whose earlier incarnation, under Bill Clinton, was never authorized by the U.S. Congress or the U.N.?

In short, I doubt the United States will "surge" anything in the Balkans. We will be quite happy to see a postmodern European solution to an essentially European problem. No doubt Sen. Harry Reid or Speaker Nancy Pelosi will remind the public that President Bill Clinton never got a formal congressional treaty authorization to deploy and station American troops in the former Yugoslavia.

The more labor that a secular, increasingly sterile European populace imports, the more social problems will accrue from unassimilated Muslim immigrants who like the economy and freedom of the West but are reluctant to relax any of their own religious and cultural views to participate fully in the postmodern society of their hosts. The resulting "can't live with them, can't live without them" is not a static situation, but one that will be resolved either in multicultural/appeasement fashion (grant de facto sharia law at home and seek friendly realignment with Middle Eastern dictatorships abroad) or with tough assimilationist and immigration policies, coupled with increasingly explicit distrust of expansionary Islam.

Europe is short on energy and depends on illiberal Russia and the Middle East for its fuel. Both these regions are sick and tired of Europe's empty lectures about human rights and feel only disdain for its absence of military might to back up its sermonizing. But Europe is also anti-American, and now in a world of Ahmadinejihads, Putins, Chinese communist apparatchiks, and thuggish Latin American strongmen, it has more or less alienated the only reliable and capable resource it might have drawn on — the goodwill of the United States.

Europe is in a classic paradox. Emotionally and culturally, Europeans are invested in a leftist such as Obama who reflects their soft socialist values and fuzzy multilateralism. But given their inherent military weakness and rough neighborhood, they have grown to count on an antithetical America — religious, conservative, militarily strong — that is not afraid to use force to fulfill its obligations to preserve the shared Western globalized system from its constant multifarious challenges. I'm not sure they privately want a President Obama calling Sarkozy or Merkel and announcing, "I think we should co-chair a worldwide Islamic conference to hear out Iran's grievances." Much better it would be for the U.S. to ensure that Iran doesn't get the bomb — at which point the French elite would trash America in Le Monde for being unilateral, cowboyish, and preemptive.

Our response to this Euro-neuroticism?

We are weary and tired of it. As our ancestors out West used to sing, "Yippy ti yi yo, get along little dogies, It's all your misfortune and none of my own…"

This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/21167

Originally Posted by halla

i sorry shallow, you posited the 20+ as an established fact. it was a fabrication. it has no basis in truth. you excuse it as being 'polemic'. no shallow it was not 'controversial' it was a lie. parsing such crap as fact is dissembling. lying shallow. i have no problem with aggressive argument, but not when it comes from a masterbaiter with little respect for the truth.

Originally Posted by halla

shallow, america is the land of immigrants, we do not have the ethnic purity. we are an amalgam resulting in hybrid vigor.

Originally Posted by halla

people come to america to join america, to become american. they are not imported to support the great white's pension system.

Originally Posted by halla

while the eunuchs are on their way to becoming dhimmiwits search for parsibilities for finding another czechoslovakia.

Originally Posted by halla

with that we have shallow's lack of coherence. he ask a question then decides that "discussion" should be at an end. but only after opining that i have no evidence! all without asking for the evidence in the first place.

Originally Posted by halla

on becomming dhimmiwits: german self-censorship - think about the cancellation of the Idomeneo or on what is euphemistically called "no go zones". on the tolerance of sharia law in sweden over woman's rights. sharia in england. the anglican's argument for sharia law in england and the list goes on but i have presented enough to serve as a "fingerpost", this way to eurabia.

Originally Posted by halla

then tell me that the eunuchs are not looking for a "czechoslovakia" to sell out. they themselves are the "czechoslovakia". but protected by their pluralistic multicultural cloak of invisibility they already don't exist, save their sacred pension plans supported by the third worlders from the nations of islam. there is one thing the nations of islam and eunuchland share - antisemitism.

Originally Posted by halla

...eunuchs ... eunuchland