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Israelis deep into organ trafficing

Israel Asper Letter 01 10-May-2002 They left their hearts in Tel Aviv
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"The family of Alastair Sinclair, a Scottish tourist who hanged himself in an Israeli jail, was forced to bring suit for the return of missing body parts." — Jonathan Rosenblum



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Israel Asper:

In one of your newspapers, The Windsor Star of 09-Apr-2002, p. C10, I read that your father, Leon, was a violinist trained at the Odessa Conservatory and your mother, Cecilia, was a concert pianist. Your parents seem to have managed their accomplishments in Ukraine in the face of what writer Zev Singer would have us believe was an adverse environment: "Escaping the pogroms of their native Ukraine, Cecilia and Leon Asper came to Canada in the early 1920s."

In order to avoid giving the impression that you are using your newspaper empire to keep alive the nurtured hatreds and hyperbolized grievances of your ancestors, I wonder if you could not introduce some balance to your coverage of Ukrainian-Jewish relations?

Was a Ukrainian Murdered That A Jew Might Live?

For example, a story that is both more recent and more urgent than that of your parents escaping Ukrainian "pogroms," and perhaps more credible as well, and one which I don't think you have permitted your newspaper empire to allude to as yet, is the following:




UKRAINIAN ECHO 07 January 2002 Page 22

A view of the press in Ukraine

KHMELNYTSKY

"Returned from foreign labor ... without his heart." Underneath such a headline, this newspaper relates that, reduced to despair by extreme material straits, a 39-year-old Khmelnytsky resident took a job in Israel. However, the terrible news shortly arrived that he had died there of poisoning by a tainted alcoholic beverage (even though all domestic sources insist that he never drank!). The body of the unfortunate worker was returned to Ukraine for burial. However, medical experts discovered that he was missing ... his heart! At the moment, this dreadfully-inhuman affair is being investigated with the help of Interpol.... (Ukrinform, 23 November).



Maybe Ukrainians Are Just Creating An Urban Legend?

There are those who seem ready to disbelieve all reports of organ robbery, and who thus would likely consider the above story of organ robbery, perhaps preceded by murder as well, as an "urban legend," as at

The Folklorist thefolklorist.com/horror/organtheft_turkey.htm


Nancy Scheper-Hughes sunsite.berkeley.edu/biotech/organswatch/pages/theftoflife2.html


However, acknowledging that some organ-robbery stories are likely to be urban legends nevertheless leaves open several possibilities:



quite simply, that other organ-robbery stories are true;


that anyone interested in discrediting the true stories might do so by broadly disseminating false ones;


that one way of creating an urban legend is to label a true story an "urban legend."


I touch below on several reasons for thinking that the above story of a Jewish organ robbery of a Ukrainian may be true.

Was a Scotsman Murdered That A Jew Might Live?

The highly similar fate of Scottish tourist Alastair Sinclair does seem credible:



Moreover, [Jerusalem District Court Judge Ruth] Orr was well within her rights to be skeptical of the pathological findings of [government pathologist Dr. Yehuda] Hiss, who has long been the subject of controversy as director of Israel Institute for Forensic Medicine, at Abu Kabir. Last November, a local Tel Aviv paper Ha'ir ran a 12-page expose of Abu Kabir and revealed how the national lab allows medical students to practice on bodies sent there for autopsies, and transfers body parts for transplants without permission from the family of the deceased.

The family of Alastair Sinclair, a Scottish tourist who hanged himself in an Israeli jail, was forced to bring suit for the return of missing body parts.

University of Glasgow pathologists who did an autopsy at the request of Sinclair's family, found that it had been returned without a heart (which they suspect was used for a transplant) and without the crucial bone needed to confirm the claim that he died from hanging.
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Jonathan Rosenblum, Presumed Guilty, Dei'ah veDibur, 07-Feb-2001, originally published in the Jerusalem Post, currently available at http://www.shemayisrael.com/chareidi...h/features.htm



And because it appears plausible that Alastair Sinclair did not hang himself but was murdered, and because it also appears plausible that the motive for the murder was the harvesting of Alastair Sinclair's heart, the similarity to the Ukrainian story invites us to upgrade the plausibility of the latter at the same time — which is to say, to upgrade the Ukrainian story from possible urban legend to possible murder followed by organ harvesting.

Three Palestinian Teenagers Murdered by Born-to-Kill Jews, then Stripped of Organs



Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants

Teheran Times.com
1-9-2

AL-KHALIL (IRNA) — The Zionist state has tacitly admitted that doctors at the Israeli forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital organs of three Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army nearly ten days ago.

Zionist Minister of Health Nessim Dahhan said in response to a question by Arab member of the Zionist Parliament 'Knesset', Ahmed Teibi, on Tuesday that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or scientific research.

"I couldn't say for sure that something like that (taking out the organs) didn't happen."

Teibi said he had received credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys, and liver from the bodies of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and the West Bank.

The Israeli authorities normally detain the bodies of martyred Palestinians for a few days without any explanation.

The Israeli Army on December 30 killed three Palestinian boys, aged 14-15 near Khan Younis in unclear circumstances.

The army issued conflicting reports on the killing, while Palestinian sources charged that Israeli troops murdered the three unarmed boys in cold blood.

The bodies of the three boys were handed over to the Palestinians for burial on 6 January.

However, shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the bodies.

The Israeli media have nearly completely ignored the affair.

(IRNA)

Reproduced on the Jeff Rense web site at www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm

Photographs Need to be Explained

Below are two photographs out of several available that lend credibility to the above charges — supposedly Palestinians whose organs have been harvested by Jews. If the lengthy central incision has some explanation other than organ harvesting, then negative speculation could be diminished by re-publishing the photographs along with that alternative explanation. For example, perhaps such an incision results from a standard autopsy, in which case it should be explained why an autopsy is performed in a case where the victim has undergone such massive damage that the cause of death is not in question:




http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/mas...ne/index14.htm



An Organ Robbery in Beersheba

The conjecture of Jews harvesting Palestinian organs is further strengthened by the Jewish admission below (of a case in which it might be assumed that if a victim of a traffic accident in Israel cannot be identified, then that victim is more likely to have been Palestinian than Jewish):



Interestingly, the Israeli Anatomy and Pathology Law (1953) allows for "using part of a corpse when it is needed to save the life of a person" without any consent. This law has very rarely been used and on one celebrated occasion may have brought more damage than benefit. On June 19, 1993, a heart, liver, lungs, and kidneys were harvested from an anonymous traffic accident victim in Beersheba and transplanted in five patients in Israel. After all attempts to identify the family failed, the hospital staff harvested the organs without consent. This person was not carrying a donor card. -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ethical Issues in Organ Transplantation in Israel by Gershon B. Grunfeld, Ph.D., Bruce Rappaport Faculty of Medicine, Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, P.O.B. 9649, 31096 Haifa, ISRAEL, on University of Tsukuba web site at www.biol.tsukuba.ac.jp/~macer/EJ66/EJ66O.html

Seven-Year-Old Palestinian Boy Murdered by Born-To-Kill Jews, then Stripped of Organs

Ha'aretz, 12-Dec-2001 http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages...107&sw=Romania

The BBC report below includes description of a young Moldovan engineer who had a kidney stolen in Turkey, possibly for Jewish use, in gruesome, urban-legend manner:

MOLDOVA/TURKEY/ISRAEL — ORGAN TRADE

Reporter: Sue Lloyd Roberts (BBC)


Jewish Fundamentalists Give A Green Light






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Conspiracy Site Rense.com quoting IRNA the Iranian News agency?

This is precisely what i was saying the other day about the 'anyone-can-have-a-website internet and the need to evaluate.

This string an excellent candidate for the 'Conspiracy'/Zionist section.
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ummah.com Newsletter?

Conspiracy Site Rense.com quoting IRNA the Iranian News agency?

This is precisely what i was saying the other day about the 'anyone-can-have-a-website internet and the need to evaluate.

This string an excellent candidate for the 'Conspiracy'/Zionist section.
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Drugs and the rest...Business is business
Israel is a state like any other...the USA for instance.

As to your statement about Jews and money?

You will find Jews overly-represented in most things.. academia, Music, medicine, economics, Physics, and other Sciences.. and despite being 1/4 of 1% of the World's population, are more than 20% of Nobel Prize winners and Half the world Chess Champions.

They are, however, well Under-represented in the US criminal population.

I never did get to debate pan-internet message board siamese twins JeniferJohnson/David Henry and their absurd empty allegations on the topic.

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Israel is a state like any other...the USA for instance.

As to your statement about Jews and money?

You will find Jews overly-represented in most things.. academia, Music, medicine, economics, Physics, and other Sciences.. and despite being 1/4 of 1% of the World's population, are more than 20% of Nobel Prize winners and Half the world Chess Champions.

They are, however, well Under-represented in the US criminal population.

I never did get to debate pan-internet message board siamese twins JeniferJohnson/David Henry and their absurd empty allegations on the topic.
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We all know there are good jews who are also ashamed of the zionists
The vast majority of Jews are "good" and ALSO are 'Zionist', in that they support a state of Israel.

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Israel is a state like any other...the USA for instance.

As to your statement about Jews and money?

You will find Jews overly-represented in most things.. academia, Music, medicine, economics, Physics, and other Sciences.. and despite being 1/4 of 1% of the World's population, are more than 20% of Nobel Prize winners and Half the world Chess Champions.

They are, however, well Under-represented in the US criminal population.

I never did get to debate pan-internet message board siamese twins JeniferJohnson/David Henry and their absurd empty allegations on the topic.
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Organ Transplants: Responsa
Rabbi Shaul Israeli
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Question 3:
Organs from a Cadaver: the Status of the Deceased and of his Family
Is a person obliged, or even allowed, to consent during his lifetime to the donation of organs after his death?
Is a person obliged, or even allowed, to sign a form of consent and to carry a donor’s card?
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A person has possession and ownership of his body while he is still alive, but his rights are limited by certain bans determined by the Torah, namely: deliberate suicide, self-inflicted injury, en- dangering oneself and similar things.
A person is not forbidden to donate an organ from his body to save someone else’s life, or to donate blood to cure even a patient whose life is not at risk, as he is doing this for an important reason where the ban on self-injury does not apply.
It appears that a person has the same right to give permission to donate from his body even after his death for the purpose of rescue. If he has clearly expressed his wish to do so, no member of the family has any right to object to it. If there is good reason to suppose that were he asked he would agree, that is sufficient. On the other hand, if he expressed his clear objection to it, his wish must be respected.
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...anResponsa.pdf
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