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Old 03-13-2008, 01:31 PM
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Islam Can't Escape Blame
My religion has strayed far since its golden age.

Amir Taheri
Oct 27, 2001
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"This has nothing to do with Islam," British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently told a delegation of Muslims at a meeting at 10 Downing Street, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Mr. Blair was echoing a view, popular both in Europe and the U.S., that it is impolite, not to say impolitic, to subject Islam to any criticism. Yet to claim that the attacks had nothing to do with Islam amounts to a whitewash. It is not only disingenuous but also a disservice to Muslims, who need to cast a critical glance at the way their faith is taught, lived and practiced.

Even worse, the refusal to subject Islam to rational analysis is a recipe for further fanaticism. Unless we believe those who claim that the Sept. 11 was organized by Israel, we have to assume that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible. And since there is no mechanism for excommunication in Islam, bin Laden and his gang have every right to describe themselves as Muslims.

Al Qaeda did not materialize out of thin air. Nor have they been operating in a vacuum. Bin Laden belongs to a prominent Yemeni-Saudi family that makes much of its Islamic credentials. He began his militant career in 1984 as a fund-raiser for Afghans fighting the communist regime in Kabul in the name of Islam. He had offices in a dozen Muslim countries, none of which regarded his activities as un-Islamic.

In 1993 bin Laden was divested of his Saudi passport but was warmly welcomed in Sudan where a fundamentalist regime is in power. Later, bin Laden was the star of an international conference of Muslim fundamentalists organized in Khartoum by the then-strongman Hassan al-Turabi. He was elected a member of the Supreme Council, whose task is to promote a radical brand of Islam throughout the world. That gave him the right to call himself a "sheik" and issue religious fatwas, or edicts. Again, since there is no clerical hierarchy in Islam, there was no reason why bin Laden could not claim such authority.

Once bin Laden was forced to leave Sudan (under U.S. pressure), he was welcomed in his ancestral homeland of Yemen, another Muslim country. From there he went to Pakistan, the world's second most populous Muslim nation, where he was welcomed not only by the army but also by virtually all of Pakistan's Islamic parties, which continue to support him.

From Pakistan, bin Laden shifted to Afghanistan, where the Taliban had established what they claimed to be "the only truly Islamic government." The Taliban continue to shelter bin Laden to this day, even in the face of U.S. attacks. To say that bin Laden has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims, therefore, requires a big leap of imagination.

When pressed hard, some Muslim leaders admit that bin Laden is "part of Islam," but try to minimize his place. Dalil Boubakeur, a French Muslim leader, says that bin Laden does not represent more than 1% of Muslims. Some comfort. That 1% means almost 13 million people.

There is more. All but one of the world's remaining military regimes are in Muslim countries. With the exception of Turkey and Bangladesh, there are no real elections in any Muslim country.
Of the current 30 active conflicts in the world no fewer than 28 concern Muslim governments and/or communities.
Two-thirds of the world's political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80% of all executions each year.


Anyone familiar with textbooks in most Muslim countries would know the twisted view of the world they propagate and the hatred they promote. Anyone who follows the media in the Muslim world would know that the verbal version of the Sept. 11 attacks is an almost daily fare. Go to the Internet and check the editorials of virtually any Muslim paper on Sept. 10 and see what they were saying about the West in general and the U.S. in particular. Anyone listening to a sermon in virtually any mosque, including many in the West, would be shocked by the vehemence of the anti-Western, especially anti-American, sentiments expressed.

It is both dishonest and dangerous for Muslims to remain in a state of denial.
And yet a state of denial is what we have. When Iran's Khomeinists burned 600 people alive in a cinema, the whitewashers said that it had nothing to do with Islam. When the same gang took the American diplomats hostage in Tehran, again the whitewash party insisted that had nothing to do with Islam. And when the suicide bombings bloodied Beirut we were told that Islam had nothing to do with them.


The Muslim world today is full of bigotry, fanaticism, hypocrisy and plain ignorance--all of which create a breeding ground for criminals like bin Laden. The principal victims of these criminals are Muslims, who are prevented from developing a modern political culture without which they cannot reform their societies and rebuild their economies.

What I am saying is not meant as critique of Islam as a belief system; that's an issue for theologians, and people should be free to believe whatever they like. What is needed is a critique of Islam as an existential reality. The Sept. 11 tragedies should trigger a rethink of the way Muslims live Islam. We should start with condemning those attacks without "ifs" and "buts." Sadly, the way we Muslims live Islam today is a far cry from the way our ancestors lived it in the golden age when Islam was a builder of civilization, not a force for repression, terror and destruction.


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so you are saying that we are the source of evil. is this what are you trying to say?
anyway, most of western accuse moslems with such thing but they do not know that what bin laden did is a respond to some unfair policies. I'm not justifying what he did if he truely did it but we must seek the roots of these problems. and as you said islam was once builder of civilization you should try to find what has changed that. of course, as moslems, we carry some burden but you can just say moslems are the cause of what is happening these days
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so you are saying that we are the source of evil. is this what are you trying to say?
anyway, most of western accuse moslems with such thing but they do not know that what bin laden did is a respond to some unfair policies. I'm not justifying what he did if he truely did it but we must seek the roots of these problems. and as you said islam was once builder of civilization you should try to find what has changed that. of course, as moslems, we carry some burden but you can just say moslems are the cause of what is happening these days
The ARTICLE is trying to say that, yes.
A source for evil at least currently.

And the article is hardly limited to bin-Laden!
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"...There is more. All but one of the world's remaining military regimes are in Muslim countries. With the exception of Turkey and Bangladesh, there are no real elections in any Muslim country.
Of the current 30 active conflicts in the world no fewer than 28 concern Muslim governments and/or communities.
Two-thirds of the world's political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80% of all executions each year.


Anyone familiar with textbooks in most Muslim countries would know the twisted view of the world they propagate and the hatred they promote....
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So by your logic christains should take responsibility for David Koresh, that other fellow Jones, and some other lunatics who are christains. The religion of islam is not responsible for 9/11, some individuals were not a faith. Interpreting the islamic faith and muslims are resposible only causes more division and hatred between our faiths. All sides should try to use diplomacy and should try to empathise with each other. Killing only leads to more killing and hatred and vengance, it is a hard cycle to break. This is why peole should try to communicate and compromise. Also you talk about muslim countries text books and media distorting things and giving a one sided view, do you think this does not happen in western countries. Do you believe the US media is unbias if you do I think you are very naieve.
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The ARTICLE is trying to say that, yes.
A source for evil at least currently.

And the article is hardly limited to bin-Laden!
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hmmm generlization. okay with your logic also christian is the source of all evil because of the world war ?
I do not understand how some people think!!!!
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So by your logic christains should take responsibility for David Koresh, that other fellow Jones, and some other lunatics who are christains.
There is a difference between lone lunatics and those operating with a large amount of support within their religion.. and who are largely deluded.

Latest polls have Muslim support for Violence 'down' from all time highs to 10-50% in many Muslim Countries.

There is NO Worldwide Christian support for Kool-aid sects or violence you mention.
bin Laden, for a time after 9/11, was probably the most Popular man in the Muslim world. Could probably still get elected in some of it.
How about koresh?
Those Comparisons to LONE christians sects are idiotic.

But Latest polls also say about 40% of Muslims don't even believe bin Laden is responsible for 9/11 !!!!

Difficult to deal with mass Bias/delusion like that.

In fact, the Shia Muslim author of the article mentions that very Denial.
Denial not cured by PC leftist defence of a violent creed.

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