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He just saved me alot of time clarifying my argument. 
Whether Iraq had any "real" and proven connections with Al-Qaeda, now, by invading and occupying Iraq, there are connections for sure now.
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...and most of the left's truth is that you all hate Bush more than Saddam, and you are absolutely venomous in your conclusions. The first thing was he had 17 UN resolutions giving the United States the power to take aggressive action on multilateral scale. Secondly, this would have never, ever occurred if Saddam had just been open enough to let the inspectors do their job without his shenanigans. Thirdly, he had 2 years prior to our invasion, to move or sell any or all the weapons he wanted to. The naiveté that I hear from people on this forum just blows my mind. You have such compassion (as you should) for those that are being killed by the hand of the United States including our own soldiers, but no compassion when you see with your own eyes the horrible annihilation of millions of innocent people at the hands of these despots, that want nothing more than to destroy all life as we know it. Is there something about these terrorists that you find the least bit of kindness for? This is a war against everything humanly sacred, our freedom, our democracy, and our basic human rights. These are not people we are fighting, they are the lowest form of parasitic scum on the planet earth. It is high time for all of us to come together and fight this global jihad. The hammer has already fallen, this war has started, make no mistake about that. You can point to every little nuance of political hyperbole on this wars justification, but all you will be doing is aiding the enemy. Yes wars are horrible, I myself fought in Viet Nam, and it was ugly. There is no turning back now, we must move forward and eradicate this vermin from the earth, or it (I used the word 'it' on purpose because the word 'they' would infer they were human) will surely destroy us.
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...how would you fight this war?
But tell me, who are the ever elusive "vermin" you are waging war against? There is no single country that houses all of "them" in the world that by invading, and slaughtering (I think that word would be rather appropriate) "them" could in one single stroke solve the war. Who is next on the "hit-list of terror"? Care to divulge that information? Or will any country named by the head of state suffice?
This is starting to remind of the crusades, when similar arguments of destroying sub-human scum for the sake of humanity were being spewed out from the Vatican. Truly any just cause behind this ill-named war is lost when common sense is abandoned and we resort to fervor and supremacist arguments. |
...how would you fight this war? |
I am not sure what the solutions are, but I can tell you that war is not a viable solution for dealing with a rouge country unless we are attacked.
It is a little like a domestic dispute. Wife/child are being beaten. Cops come. Whole family starts beating cops.
Is it our responsibility to address every corrupt/abusive government in the world (to be the world’s cops)? If so, what is our moral justification? Compassion?
If a country is not a threat to us, then it is imperialistic to invade and occupy that country. Pre-emptive attacks on other countries are imperialistic, aka Japan at Perl Harbor.
We may not, as a country, personally support, agree, promote or condone a “family dispute” in another country, but going to war is not a solution.
That’s what the United Nations is for – to reach world consensus regarding the behavior of that misbehaving country.
Or would you rather have our country operate unilaterally based on OUR moral opinion? If you believe we should unilaterally attack other countries based on our moral view, then YOU are in the same boat as Osama – that’s exactly what he wants to do.
You can give me all the morality spin you want, but at the end of the day it is law that protects us, not our moral justification.
AND make no mistake about it -- my opinion is NOT partisan! I would say the same about ANY administration in power. It just so happens that Bush is the one with his finger on the buttons and ** IT APPEARS ** he is pushing those button with lies and half-truth. Of course the jury is still out and I agree we need to review all the credible information. I am not convinced either way, yet.
Some info:
http://www.gannettonline.com/gns/fac...07-17894.shtml