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If year after year one group has 6x the murder rate this is Hugely significant.
OFF the charts.

ie, If you flipped a coin 1000 times and got 860 Heads and 140 Tails.. it's not an accident and it CANNOT happen unless there's a reason.
This isn't mere correlation, this is a statistically significant - wildly so.

These racial differences play out in IQ and life outcomes as well.

This is even true when ALL Variables are taken Out.
Such as the Minnesota Transracial adoption studies which remove all socio-economic factors.
Asians, adopted by whites, still score higher than whites (as they do in the real world in the USA and on their own continents).. and Blacks score lower- as they do in the USA and their own continent.

If you believe in Evolution you should believe in IQ difference- ie... the 'fittest' in the Jungle needing different skills than, let's say, Jews ghettoized in Europe for 2000 years.
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If year after year one group has 6x the murder rate this is Hugely significant.
OFF the charts.

ie, If you flipped a coin 1000 times and got 860 Heads and 140 Tails.. it's not an accident and it CANNOT happen unless there's a reason.
This isn't mere correlation, this is a statistically significant - wildly so.

These racial differences play out in IQ and life outcomes as well.

This is even true when ALL Variables are taken Out.
Such as the Minnesota Transracial adoption studies which remove all socio-economic factors.
Asians, adopted by whites, still score higher than whites (as they do in the real world in the USA and on their own continents).. and Blacks score lower- as they do in the USA and their own continent.

If you believe in Evolution you should believe in IQ difference- ie... the 'fittest' in the Jungle needing different skills than, let's say, Jews ghettoized in Europe for 2000 years.
It is correlative. That IS the statistical significance. To say more (like causation), you need to delve deeper into the situation. The causative case is not present in, let's say, adopted Asians scoring higher because you could also say that the whites adopting them were looking for certain traits and were also willing to do the work to nurture those traits. It is not genetic, still. Also, specifically for your example, the fact is that adoptees have the bragging rights to say that they were HAND PICKED and can actually legitimately be proud of who they are because they were CHOSEN, not just "kept."
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It is correlative.
..... It is not genetic, still. Also, specifically for your example, the fact is that adoptees have the bragging rights to say that they were HAND PICKED and can actually legitimately be proud of who they are because they were CHOSEN, not just "kept."
It IS genetic.
And it's true and measureable from thre micro scale (trans-racial adoption) to the Continental- the success of Asia and the Failure of [despite] resourse-rich Africa.


Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic
Medical Research News
26-Apr-2005

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"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.

"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables,"
said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That's why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence."
1. The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture.[/b] Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

2. Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

3. The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

4. Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents.
East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower.
The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

6. Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.


7. IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

8. Race Differences in Other "Life-History" Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

9. Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

10. Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or "Head Start" programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.
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http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/

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OK, so far we have learned:

Blacks are murderous thugs 6 times more likely to murder than whites.
Blacks are 25 times more likely to kill a white than the other way around.
Blacks are 20% less intelligent than whites.


If indeed these are all factual statements, what can be done about it? What can US society do to reduce crime by these out of control blacks?
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BillyBob is correct. Black people are MUCH more likely to commit murder. I will stick out at night in a suburb but not in Harlem. However, unlike what BillyBob is implying, it is NOT because they are black. It is because they are poor, have been oppressed for over a 100 years, and have only truly gained a semblance of equal rights within the past half-century. Blacks, as of yet, have not really gained much of an opportunity to advance. They have started at a much lower level than whites. I'm almost a 100% sure that economic level will show the true correlation between people and murder. Hence, as opposed to viewing and fearing blacks, it is better to look out at the poor. I know plenty of wealthy blacks who are some of the nicest people you will meet.
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The predominate reason for the higher increase of murders and murder victims being overwhelmingly black isn't because of poverty. It is largely cultural and the modern black cultures connection to gangster rap and gangsterism.

As Thomas Sowell has stated before back in the 30's and 40's as a young child he used to sleep out on his fireplace balcony well living in the middle of Harlem. This was during a time period where blacks where much poorer and much more oppressed by local and state governments due to racism. Yet today where blacks have a overall higher standard of living and black oppression is largely gone murder has sky rocketed among the black community. It is a culture issue. Its about the destruction of the black family, the rejection of education, and the embarrassing of gang related culture.

Many of these problems have risen largely due to the Great Society. Black by in large have had to suffer the negative side affects of government programing that was made to "improve there lives".
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BillyBob is correct. Black people are MUCH more likely to commit murder. I will stick out at night in a suburb but not in Harlem. However, unlike what BillyBob is implying, it is NOT because they are black. It is because they are poor, have been oppressed for over a 100 years, and have only truly gained a semblance of equal rights within the past half-century. Blacks, as of yet, have not really gained much of an opportunity to advance. They have started at a much lower level than whites. I'm almost a 100% sure that economic level will show the true correlation between people and murder. Hence, as opposed to viewing and fearing blacks, it is better to look out at the poor.
Two things:

Poverty does not force people to become murderers.

Any able bodied US citizen living in poverty does so by choice.


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Two things:

Poverty does not force people to become murderers.

And you are implying being black does? Poverty sure is a great incentive.

Any able bodied US citizen living in poverty does so by choice.

That's what you think. Not true.
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Poverty does not force people to become murderers.
I agree.

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Any able bodied US citizen living in poverty does so by choice.
I don't agree.

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