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Old 04-09-2008, 06:02 PM
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The local government there didn't even bother to mobilize the citizens and provide public transportation to leave the city. The mayor is black, so I fail to see how this is some sort of conspiracy. FEMA didn't react fast enough, but the people (government) in New Orleans did not react at all.

Of course I wouldn't want to go into the inner city. I have to commute to Baltimore (murder capital of the USA) for work. You have people sitting around at the gas station begging for money and in some parts I would likely be mugged or killed. The problem with this statement is that just because it is like that does not mean it exists that way for no reason. Murdering people is obviously not a necessity for survival, and neither is the absurd amount of crack users in Baltimore.
a couple of questions in response to this:

who would have driven the buses taking the many NO residents out of harm's way? trying to figure out who was available to do so and was not already committed to spending the remaining time before landfall looking after their own families
possibly more importantly, where would they have taken them? as i recall the motels were filled far inland ... and who would have absorbed that expense ... and what cities presently have contingency plans to handle all of the arrangements necessary to mobilize and fund such a massive evacuation?
the point i am trying to make is you imply that the NO community leaders screwed up by not busing the residents ... but how reasonable an effort was that to assume the city should have been prepared to undertake.
i am not defending most of the elected leaders, who were predominately democrats, as they are a sorry lot ... but one should not expect the unreasonable, even had competent people been at the helm
in stark contrast, being prepared for such contingencies is exactly FEMAs mission and that federal agency blew it. good job brownie
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a couple of questions in response to this:

who would have driven the buses taking the many NO residents out of harm's way? trying to figure out who was available to do so and was not already committed to spending the remaining time before landfall looking after their own families
possibly more importantly, where would they have taken them? as i recall the motels were filled far inland ... and who would have absorbed that expense ... and what cities presently have contingency plans to handle all of the arrangements necessary to mobilize and fund such a massive evacuation?
the point i am trying to make is you imply that the NO community leaders screwed up by not busing the residents ... but how reasonable an effort was that to assume the city should have been prepared to undertake.
i am not defending most of the elected leaders, who were predominately democrats, as they are a sorry lot ... but one should not expect the unreasonable, even had competent people been at the helm
in stark contrast, being prepared for such contingencies is exactly FEMAs mission and that federal agency blew it. good job brownie
Thats bull, look at San Diego during the last fire. People didn't act like idiots and stay they moved, on their dime. When they got to the shelters they acted civilized. Shame on them. I guess when you have competant local government good things happen even when a disastor is occuring. Why is it my problem in Illinois that idiots in NO don't heed the warnings.
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a couple of questions in response to this:

who would have driven the buses taking the many NO residents out of harm's way? trying to figure out who was available to do so and was not already committed to spending the remaining time before landfall looking after their own families
possibly more importantly, where would they have taken them? as i recall the motels were filled far inland ... and who would have absorbed that expense ... and what cities presently have contingency plans to handle all of the arrangements necessary to mobilize and fund such a massive evacuation?
the point i am trying to make is you imply that the NO community leaders screwed up by not busing the residents ... but how reasonable an effort was that to assume the city should have been prepared to undertake.
i am not defending most of the elected leaders, who were predominately democrats, as they are a sorry lot ... but one should not expect the unreasonable, even had competent people been at the helm
in stark contrast, being prepared for such contingencies is exactly FEMAs mission and that federal agency blew it. good job brownie
I would rather be bussed outside of the fish bowl that is New Orleans than stay and drown. The city was bound to have something like this occur because it is basically a drained lake.
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I would rather be bussed outside of the fish bowl that is New Orleans than stay and drown. The city was bound to have something like this occur because it is basically a drained lake.
but you have not answered the fundamental questions:
  • who would not be taking care of their own family and would be available to do the bus driving
  • where would they stay since all available temporary lodging was already in use
  • what would they eat and who would coordinate and pay for all of this given the very limited amount of time to pull something together
you seem to believe that it was possible and that the NO leadership was foolish for not making it happen. so, tell us how they could have administered this to make it happen
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who would have driven the buses taking the many NO residents out of harm's way?



Practically anybody can drive a bus. If they would have left the keys in them and told people where they were, I guarantee each one of them would have been filled to capacity and somebody would be driving it.


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as i recall the motels were filled far inland ...
At least they weren't underwater.




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What expense, gasoline?



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and what cities presently have contingency plans to handle all of the arrangements necessary to mobilize and fund such a massive evacuation?
New Orleans certainly should have, they've had decades to implement one knowing that it was just a matter of time before they get hit by a hurricane and flooding.
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thanks for making my point
the devil is in the details
where to go
where to sleep
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how to pay for it all
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thanks for making my point
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Anywhere would have been better than just staying in NO. Unless, of course, you wanted to do some looting.....


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I reckon if you have 70 people on a bus they would be able to come up with gas money.
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I reckon if you have 70 people on a bus they would be able to come up with gas money.
they would probably want the government to pay for it..
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they would probably want the government to pay for it..

Of course, they're liberals.
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