Perhaps you missed the word 'our' in jms' post.

Perhaps I did.

So what!

I can live with that.

Now please respond with an 'African American' spinning head. I like that. Makes me realize what and where my place is in your racial world.


PROB

he/she's acting trollish. why is that?

does IT think everyone has a problem with IT? is that why?

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When a true genius appears in the world, you may know them by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against them.
-Jonathan Swift

---"Thoughts On Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting."

So, what you are saying that Bush did what every President in History has done, and that is appoint lawyers that work for them, and thus doing so makes him corrupt and Clinton honest. It always amazed me over the last 8 years how Bush haters take normal Political happenings and spin them as if Bush was the first to do it and is Evil for doing so. As I have said many times Liberals fill the media with lies.

So, Clinton has his lawyers find what ever interpretation of the law they could, to do nothing, and listen to them. Bush hires lawyers that search the laws to find ways to help his needs, and do something, and listens to them. This sounds like what goes on everyday in court rooms across America.

For the record I am an Independent. I do not prefer ether side of the political spectrum. I never did much thinking about politics till 8 years ago. I was delivering to a place in Portland org and this shipper kept coming out to talk to me while I was being unloaded and he kept asking me if I listen to NPR and what they say about Bush. When he finished ranting all wild eyed, I said what you are describing sounds like normal everyday politics to me. After three months of this I finally started to listen to NPR and Air America to see what he was talking about. I was shocked to hear them spin everyday normal politics as if they were the Evil deeds of the Bush administration. Then I found conservative radio shows to see if they did the same things. All I found were conservatives fighting back with basic logic to counter the propaganda of the liberal media. I found this to be extremely troubling to see a movement in America (liberal media) who's goal it was to manipulate individuals in order to spread hate and lies.

Do I support the Conservatives, no. Am I against liberalism, absolute.


I said: "With the endless evidence the war has gone exactly as it should have, given the the situations that have arisen since its beginning."

You said: "The war has gone as planned?"

Once again a complete ignoring of what is written in order to express one's own opinion. This happens all the time in here. I wander if this is the proof that there are certain types of minds that only read what their minds predetermined, and never what is written.

As for the statement you posted. Except for your true statement that the war did not go as planned. The rest is naive to the realities of what has happen in the past and what will happen in the future. Nation building is what America does best. Just ask Germany and Japan. But I guess you would have preferred the US pulled out of Germany and left it to the Russians. Or Japan and left it for the Monarchy to reinstate itself. The incredible lack of logic given by certain types of minds is staggering.

'Why did we go to Iraq' is a question that still hasn't been answered. WMD's, Iraqi links to 9/11, rape rooms, chemical weapons, Saddam's a bad guy etc etc,....

Nobody mentioned the massive oil deposits beneath Iraq. And of course nobody would. Because if you told the American people that to secure the oil in Iraq would cost up to $3,000,000,000,000, thousands of their kids lives and tens of thousands of their kids maimed, not to mention hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives (of course not that important) the American people would not have approved by 80% the launching of the invasion.

That could not be allowed to happen. So playing on the emotions of 9/11 the Bush oil cabal attacked and occupied a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, I repeat,nothing to do with 9/11!. Now the 'conservatives' are mystified why there is resistance to the invasion and occupation of Iraq (remember the rose petals that would greet the occupation)?

Who are these people who support the continued occupation of Iraq and what do they want? (I am here discounting the religious radicals who desperately want a war with Islam because their interpretation of the Bible says it should be so).

The Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence -- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office. 5 June 2008

"The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:

Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.

Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.

Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.

Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.

Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.

Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed."

To enforce the cease-fire agreement that Saddam signed to save his butt during the first gulf war.

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Liberals believe it is okay to kill babies, but not terrorists.

democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.

The current rationale for the war is exactly what it has been labeled. Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to the whitehouse, the war in Iraq was to liberate its people from a dictator.

If you agree to take that spoonfull and swallow it, that's your own decision of course. However, it's gotta taste pretty aweful considering that it is a pretty weak reason to bring a nation to war. We can't as a country start deposing dictators all over the world as if we are Batman in a global Gotham. Of course, even considering that line of thought requires you to forget all of the other reasons we were given before the war. Each and every one was proven false.

Reason one. Iraqi - Al-qaeda connection.
Are we really still discussing this? How about we let Cheney himself put this to rest.

From his interview with Gloria Borger, June 17 2004.

BORGER: Well, let's get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, "pretty well confirmed."
Vice Pres. CHENEY: No, I never said that.

BORGER: OK.

Vice Pres. CHENEY: I never said that.

BORGER: I think that is...

Vice Pres. CHENEY: Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had been in Prague on April 9 of 2001, where he allegedly met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never been able to confirm that nor have we been able to knock it down, we just don't know.

Sound like something ironclad enough to press a nation into war over? I think not.

Reason Two. WMD's.
It's true, a few munitions were found, but each cache was discovered forgotten and decaying underground to the point of being ineffectual. Nothing amounting to a 'stockpile' has ever been found. Certainly nothing worthy of all the 'mushroom cloud' doomspeak the Bush administration dolled onto the populace those years ago.

So, we are left with the only thing of any truth. Saddam was a bad guy. If you think that's worth 4000+ American lives and untold billions in tax dollars, then good for you.