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Old 04-14-2008, 09:55 AM
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They are the rule.
They are the exception, the rest were correct.

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Sorry but a good study wouldn't make such glaring mistakes. A good study would have no mistakes.
They accounted for it, which is what a good study does.

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But they didn't do that which explains the ACLU coming out as Conservative and the Rand Corporation coming out as Liberal. Also remember the NRA came very close to being liberal.
Actually they did do that. Close means they were still identified as conservative. And there are many liberals, as this forum shows, who can understand the 2nd amendment.

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Now this is what I find misgiving about these numbers. I'll take the example of Disney. Now I know former CEO Michael Eisner was a republican and Disney was very Republican friendly through it's programming.

http://www.fair.org/activism/disney-moore-update.html

So either the numbers are wrong or they have no correlation as to them being slanted liberal.
The numbers are correct, prove differently. The left wing hack website you cited provided no evidence otherwise. Eisner doesn't write the stories, the liberal journalists who work for him do. That's assuming Eisner is Republican since you failed to prove that. Disney as a corporation gives almost equally to both parties. And Eisner himself has given to both including Ed Markey, Rahm Emanuel, Patrick Leahy, Dianne Feinstein, and a PAC called
PAC to the Future (which received 100% of its funding from Democrats, guess what that makes Eisner?). Along with a host of other liberals.
http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney...txtName=Disney

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These are totalitarian leaders. Show me any liberals that have supported them.
Big government liberals. Liberals can be totalitarian too.
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Not once except the quote you provided. In other words yes, he referred to him as a liberal. The link also shows his support for unions, a , distributing "wealth and products more equitably," his opposition to conservative democrats (and what is the opposite of conservative?), believed in a large central government, received support from progressives and liberals, faced conservative opposition (again, the opposit of conservative is?), coined the term New Deal Liberalism, helped form the next liberal experiment (Great Society), and a host of other evidence. On the other hand, you have yet to offer even a small crumb or morsel that he was anything but liberal as viewed by historians and others.

He also said and AND AND AND .
I was referring to the historian who did the piece about Roosevelt. He was the one that stated Truman was a moderate. And you have the gall to say I couldn't even show one crumb that he wasn't liberal. I just did from your own source. Even Doug Brin drew comparisons between Ford and
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Pres Harry S Truman, calling them both both moderate, 'accidental' presidents.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...er&match=exact
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Actually we're talking about your error riddled definition of liberal and conservative.
No I was first talking about Clinton not being a liberal because he dropped bombs on Sudan, Iraq and other places thus saying liberals don't drop bombs. Instead of you arguing my first point you went back to WW2 Presidents. Democrat does not equal liberal. Not in my book. Also the American version of liberal is very skewed when compared to the rest of the world. Look at how many people were calling John Kerry the most far left democratic candidate.
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I don't have to, the creators of the organization themselves say they came into extistance in 1987 to fight a liberal media. The end. Unless you can find something proving the owners are lying about their reasons for creating it. I'll wait here while you prove that.
Yes you do since the whole argument that the term was hardly ever used before a certain time then you need to show citations from those times.
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I showed you in every one of them. Your argument is they are lying. Prove it. And if mentioned even one time, that erases your argument.
You did not show one in every one of them. I also didn't say the term was never used. I said I never heard it being used. My exact quote was :
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Not once during Clinton's reign did I ever hear the term "liberal media" nor did I hear it when Bush was taking the country to war.
You pulled up the term once. I'm sure if one dug really deep they would find the term used a couple more times but it certainly wasn't used enough to be noticed.
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I was right because it is nearly identical to what he said. Those in the media lean liberal.
Your original quote was "Kronkite stated the media is liberal". Kronkite said no such thing.
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The study and this post are two different issues.
No, because you use the post to back your claims to the study. You can't have both.
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The public would be right. And all it would show is that in one instance out of a few dozen (which they accounted for and explained) the study was correct
.But there is more than one instance.
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I was referring to the historian who did the piece about Roosevelt. He was the one that stated Truman was a moderate. And you have the gall to say I couldn't even show one crumb that he wasn't liberal. I just did from your own source. Even Doug Brin drew comparisons between Ford and
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...er&match=exact
You didn't provide a crumb. Doug Brin? Sorry some guy no one has heard of doesn't count. Historians refer to them as liberal.

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No I was first talking about Clinton not being a liberal because he dropped bombs on Sudan, Iraq and other places thus saying liberals don't drop bombs. Instead of you arguing my first point you went back to WW2 Presidents. Democrat does not equal liberal. Not in my book. Also the American version of liberal is very skewed when compared to the rest of the world. Look at how many people were calling John Kerry the most far left democratic candidate.
Like I said, your error riddled definition of liberal and conservative. Clinton, FDR and Truman dropping bombs obviously proves you can do that and be liberal. Since history shows them as liberal. Who says the rest of the world has the right definition of liberal and conservative? It's all subjective and since this is the US and we are discussing a liberal US media then the US definition is the applicable one, not the rest of the world's.

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Yes you do since the whole argument that the term was hardly ever used before a certain time then you need to show citations from those times.
I showed it. The creators of Media Matters themselves said they created the organization in 1987 to fight a liberal media. The only alternative is they were lying. You have not proven that.

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You did not show one in every one of them. I also didn't say the term was never used. I said I never heard it being used. My exact quote was :
You pulled up the term once. I'm sure if one dug really deep they would find the term used a couple more times but it certainly wasn't used enough to be noticed.
No I pulled it up in every one of them. You just don't like the source. You never heard it? My contention was you needed to get out more if that was the case. I proved that when asked, it's been a common term for at least two decades. Here are more sources, books all written before 1999. In 1986 this one was used by conservatives to prove a liberal bias. http://media.eriposte.com/2-2.htm Here is another written in 1971 http://media.eriposte.com/2.htm Another written in 1996 http://media.eriposte.com/2-6.htm Another from 1996 http://media.eriposte.com/2-8.htm Another from 1994 Amazon.com: How to Identify, Expose and Correct...Amazon.com: How to Identify, Expose and Correct...
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Your original quote was "Kronkite stated the media is liberal". Kronkite said no such thing.
Yeah he said it leans liberal, splitting hairs.

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No, because you use the post to back your claims to the study. You can't have both.
But there is more than one instance.
I've seen one instance where they wrong. The majority were correct. And they are seperate.
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