Political Forum
     

Go Back   Political Forum > Politics by Region > Russia & Eastern Europe


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008, 07:54 PM
TrueAlbo2006's Avatar
TrueAlbo2006 TrueAlbo2006 is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 978
republic of kosovo us virginia
TrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura aboutTrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura aboutTrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 33,123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drama View Post
The problem with this independence in my opinion is going to be a long term instability in the region. The notion that this move is going to bring the stability to the region could not be further from the truth. This is going to be a huge black eye to the Serbian people all over the world (just look at how many atheletes are wearing shirts "Kosovo is Serbia" )and you will understand that the whole nation is extremely, and I can't emphasize this word enough, mad about the whole Kosovo situation and they feel it was practically stolen from them. Sooner or later the situation is going to arise and there is going to be a conflict on Balkan once again.

Second problem, that I see with this independence, is that Kosovo is now an example for small nations all over the world that want to express themselves differently and would like to form their own country. If you tell me that Kosovo is the exception you will really have to convince me here, which I think will be imspossible. To me that would be like when Bush said recently that the rocket shield or whatever it is that he wants to install in Poland has nothing to do with Russia People might be short sighted but most are not blind and stupid, ya know.
Independence will be the Stability of the Region....Already seeings its fruitful effects...


The bottom line is this: There is no more colonization.....this is 21st century...Try to colonize the planet of mars....colonization on the plant of earth is at its ending trail
Serbia wanted to colonize it...Surely exterminate all Albanians...you tried to empty it



If you think or even touch one inch of sovereign territory of Republic of Kosova, me, you and our neighbors will be dead...

Shall the beautiful blue rivers and green valleys of Kosova turn into red, cuz there is no more of you serbs trying to kill pregnant women, unborn babies, children, youngsters, elderly, innocent men...
. I guarantee you all of us will die before you will think or even touch it...

In fact, only an Independent Kosova can guarantee the stability of Europe and the Balkans..


Convinced: Republic of Kosova was never part of serbia...


p.s.....a strong army and air force on its way....your Belgrade could start smelling like Beirut....
__________________
Jesus beat the devil with two sticks. Colossian 2:13,15

Proud American!

Communism/Socialism is similar to legalizing burglary and murder!

Last edited by TrueAlbo2006; 04-05-2008 at 08:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Red Cross - Donate Today    Save the Rainforest
  #62 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008, 08:00 PM
AuLoNa's Avatar
AuLoNa AuLoNa is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 68
usa
AuLoNa has a spectacular aura aboutAuLoNa has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 369
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath View Post
Kosovo should be a province within Serbia with the highest possible level of autonomy. Almost a country, but within Serbian borders. Something like Hong Kong has been in China until 1997. It was formally British, but de facto Chinese. That's what we are offering them. But the bosses from Washington told them not to accept the deal, for it would mean packing Uncle Sam's bags, and Uncle Sam did not build Bondsteel to leave.

Ohh nooo you are still with this topic. Case is closed, finished, it will never be yours, since it wasn't in the first place. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you guys will get on with the businesses of your state.
Reply With Quote
  #63 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008, 08:03 PM
AuLoNa's Avatar
AuLoNa AuLoNa is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 68
usa
AuLoNa has a spectacular aura aboutAuLoNa has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 369
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drama View Post
The entire world scholars. I am just quoting you. So if i find one that claims this is not true you are lying.

The most reverend ones. Is this supposed to add strength to your claim?
Drama is not your fault that you have not been properly educated with the real world history. SO I do not fault you, but I do urge you to make yourself educated, cause it will be a waste to go away from this earth with a knowledge that either was not known at all, or it was learned with lies.....
Reply With Quote
  #64 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008, 08:12 PM
AuLoNa's Avatar
AuLoNa AuLoNa is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 68
usa
AuLoNa has a spectacular aura aboutAuLoNa has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 369
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drama View Post
This is very funny. You guys proclaim how innocent you are while at the same time flexing your muscles and showing your true colors. I don't think there would be any 'large scale war' unless Russia or United States decided to come in.


Drama read my signature and I close my case......
__________________
"LYING IS A FORM OF OUR PATRIOTISM AND IS EVIDENCE OF OUR INNATE INTELLIGENCE. WE LIE IN A CREATIVE, IMAGINATIVE, AND INVENTIVE WAY." ---Dobrica Cosic, Serbian writer, first president of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia



Last edited by AuLoNa; 04-05-2008 at 08:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #65 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008, 02:21 AM
drama drama is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 168
drama is on a distinguished road
Credits: 1,287
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AuLoNa View Post
Drama read my signature and I close my case......
Please don't lecture me. If you people can't hold an intelligent conversation I rest my case. All I ask for is for you albanian people not to put words in my mouth and to show facts and evidence when you make a statement of any kind. Difference between me and you is that you want people to see your side of story. I want people to know the truth!
Reply With Quote
  #66 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008, 02:22 AM
drama drama is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 168
drama is on a distinguished road
Credits: 1,287
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AuLoNa View Post
Drama is not your fault that you have not been properly educated with the real world history. SO I do not fault you, but I do urge you to make yourself educated, cause it will be a waste to go away from this earth with a knowledge that either was not known at all, or it was learned with lies.....
I got my education in United States. Are you saying I should go to Albania to get proper education on how things are?
Reply With Quote
  #67 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008, 04:20 AM
Novi Sad Novi Sad is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 19
yugoslavia
Novi Sad is on a distinguished road
Credits: 176
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xDonnax View Post
Novi Sad, A golden cage is still a cage.
Besides there is no Albanian movement,party, or serious organization that favors " political coexistance" with the Serbs. You might say it does, but it doesn't. Just look at the history. Almost Half of Serbia's population chose to vote on an ultra-nationalistic party in 2007. Who's leader is in Hague. Milosevic is dead, yet "his" mindset lives on.
Serbia has no moral right over Kosova. The war in Kosova shall never be forgotten!
First sentence is exchange of thesis.
Albanians do have their own country, it's called Albania as far as I know.
You are talking about albanians feelin restrained on national basis, but that isn't true. Albanians don't wish political cooperation with Serbs for a very long time and then they are making thesis "we are strangled on national basis". If you don't wish to talk, and I said dozen of times that Albanians could be a majority in political life of Serbia if they wished to do that (for God's sake, they could even stopped Milosevic's reign at his own time if they wanted to cooperate with opposition in Serbia, instead they just slitted and watched making victims of themselves on purpose!!!) - just putted simply> Kosovo albanians would be equal partners in LEADING Serbia!
And talking about moral, I hope that it will never bi forgotten, just as I hope that Ramush Haradinaj's and Tachi's crimes won't be forgotten too.



Quote:
stop quoting your acedemy of science's fictitious books...quote me vatican, ragusan, byzantine and ottoman archives..you will see..
.

It seems that you don't know what am I talking about at all, don't you?
And talking about your experts, on the site visitkosova.com (which was signed in english version by Kosovo - Department of Tourism – Ministry of Trade and Industry) there were such nonsenses that I find that shocking. In guide through Kosovo it was written that there is "distinctive albanian-byzantian style, of eclectical church of byzantian-gothic-albanian style, built during XIV century", that there are POLAR BEARS on Kosovo (?!), that albanian national instrument is gusle (although, this instrument is characteristic for Slavic people such as Serbs, Croatians, Montenegrians etc.)..
Executive director of ministry of tourism at Kosovo stated that he even doesn't knows what gusle and frule are, and are they albanian national instruments!!!

That much about experts and fabrication...

Quote:
I don't want to do anything with serbia...a country that has been trying to exterminate Albanians
Yes, I see, there is non left at the Kosovo and in Albania.

Quote:
It offers serbs all the rights within the Republic of Kosova.
So why then are you afraid of concept "standards before independence"?
I guess because you can't perform realization of these standards. Serbs are still killed, tortured etc. on Kosovo. The last episode with medical supplies (forbidding for medical supplies to come to serbian hospitals to very sick people??!?!?!) just shows what kind of guarantees Kosovo can offer.
Reply With Quote
  #68 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008, 07:02 AM
xDonnax's Avatar
xDonnax xDonnax is offline
Sr. Correspondent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 645
republic of kosovo de saxony anhalt
xDonnax has disabled reputation
Credits: 3,600
Default

Quote:
The problem with this independence in my opinion is going to be a long term instability in the region. The notion that this move is going to bring the stability to the region could not be further from the truth. This is going to be a huge black eye to the Serbian people all over the world (just look at how many atheletes are wearing shirts "Kosovo is Serbia" )and you will understand that the whole nation is extremely, and I can't emphasize this word enough, mad about the whole Kosovo situation and they feel it was practically stolen from them. Sooner or later the situation is going to arise and there is going to be a conflict on Balkan once again.
Serbia and its people have no-one else to blame but themselves and the leaders they chose.

You say that there will be yet another conflict in the Balkans. What makes you think that it wouldn't have been the same if it had been decided for Kosova to stay under Serbia? Just look at the History. Any solution that would have involved Kosova to stay within Serbia, be it advanced autonomy or federal unit, it would have still reignite the crisis and a Serb- Albanian war in the future. Kosova's independence will bring stability to the region. It's the Kosovar Serbs whom are making it difficult for themselves.
Reply With Quote
  #69 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008, 07:26 AM
xDonnax's Avatar
xDonnax xDonnax is offline
Sr. Correspondent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 645
republic of kosovo de saxony anhalt
xDonnax has disabled reputation
Credits: 3,600
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Novi Sad View Post
First sentence is exchange of thesis.
Albanians do have their own country, it's called Albania as far as I know.
You are talking about albanians feelin restrained on national basis, but that isn't true. Albanians don't wish political cooperation with Serbs for a very long time and then they are making thesis "we are strangled on national basis". If you don't wish to talk, and I said dozen of times that Albanians could be a majority in political life of Serbia if they wished to do that (for God's sake, they could even stopped Milosevic's reign at his own time if they wanted to cooperate with opposition in Serbia, instead they just slitted and watched making victims of themselves on purpose!!!) - just putted simply> Kosovo albanians would be equal partners in LEADING Serbia!
And talking about moral, I hope that it will never bi forgotten, just as I hope that Ramush Haradinaj's and Tachi's crimes won't be forgotten too.


Misolevic was chosen by its people, and he couldn't have done what he did without the support of the Serbs.


Since 1989, which was the year Milosevic revoked Kosova's and Vojvodina's autonmy, The Kosovar Albanians, tried to get back the rights that were taken away from Milosevic. Diplomatic measures were used for almost 8 years, yet nothing changed, but got worse.

Again, IF Milosevic had been half the man Ibrahim Rugova was; Serbia wouldn't be where it is today, and the war in Kosova would have been prevented. Rugova even went to see Milosevic in Belgrad on the possibility of a negotiated settlement. So, YES, the Albanians did try



As far as Albania goes, come again! The borders were re-drawn by the Great Powers, which left half of the Albanian population outside its current borders.

Last edited by xDonnax; 04-06-2008 at 07:27 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #70 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2008, 01:48 PM
TrueAlbo2006's Avatar
TrueAlbo2006 TrueAlbo2006 is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 978
republic of kosovo us virginia
TrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura aboutTrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura aboutTrueAlbo2006 has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 33,123
Default

In 1918, following the end of World War I, all Albanian-language schools in Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro were closed and the region's 400,000 ethnic Albanians were denied "nation status" (History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Hall 1994, 201; The Financial Times 29 June 1989). According to Hall,

the inter-war period thus saw a Serbian dominated nationalist Yugoslav state denying its non-Slav minorities cultural equality and the rights guaranteed to minorities under international law … Albanian schools and language materials remained suppressed, Albanian intellectuals, clergy and civic leaders were persecuted, and census figures were manipulated (1994, 201).

Serbian settlers were encouraged to migrate to Kosovo; by 1940 over 150,000 acres of land reportedly had been seized from Albanians and given to Serb settlers (The Financial Times 29 June 1989). Some 18-40,000 Slavic families settled in Kosovo by 1940 (History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Hall 1994, 202). At the same time, thousands of ethnic Albanians either fled Kosovo, were imprisoned or were forced to leave for allegedly advocating irredentist policies (History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180; see also Hall 1994, 202).

During World War II, from 1941 to 1943, Kosovo, along with Albanian-populated lands in Macedonia and Montenegro, merged with Albania under Italian occupation to form a greater Albania (Hall 1994, 203; History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180). A significant number of Albanians moved to Kosovo during this period and many Kosovars[3] took advantage of their new status to settle accounts with Serbs; many Serbs were expelled from Kosovo during this period (Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180; History Today 1 Dec. 1991; FRY Oct. 1995). German forces occupied Albania (and Kosovo) after Italy's defeat to allied forces in September 1943 (Eastern Europe and the Commonwealth of Independent States 1997 1996, 109). When Kosovo was returned to Serbia in 1944 the majority of its population was Albanian[4] ; according to a 1948 census Kosovo was composed of approximately 172,000 Serbs and 500,000 Albanians (Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180).

In post-World War II Yugoslavia ethnic Albanians constituted the third largest national group in the country, the largest non-Slavic minority (Hall 1994, 204). They were divided between the Yugoslav republics of Serbia (which included Kosovo), Montenegro and Macedonia (ibid., 205). In 1946 Kosovo became an administrative region of the Republic of Serbia within the Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia (ibid., 204; Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180). The Albanian-language was legally acknowledged at this time but Serbian retained its predominance (Hall 1994, 204).

Kosovars reportedly endured harsh rule and stringent control under the leadership of Yugoslav Internal Affairs Minister and Vice-President Aleksander Rankovic, a man who viewed Kosovars as a dangerous "political liability" (Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180; Hall 1994, 204, History Today 1 Dec. 1991). Rankovic is said to have ordered police to apply pressure on Albanians to leave Kosovo; between 1954-1957 approximately 195,000 Albanians did leave (ibid.).

Reformists within the Yugoslav government secured the dismissal of Rankovic from his posts in 1966 (Eastern Europe and the Commonwealth of Independent States 1997 1996, 841; Hall 1994, 205; New York Times 4 Apr. 1989; History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Ramet 1992, 189). Demands for reform in Kosovo, both among Kosovars themselves and in Belgrade, strengthened (ibid.; Hall 1994, 205; New York Times 4 Apr. 1989; History Today 1 Dec. 1991). In the wake of Rankovic's dismissal many Kosovars took to protesting in the streets to demand their rights (Ramet 1992, 190-91; Financial Times 29 June 1989; Hall 1994, 205). The central Yugoslav government of Josip Broz Tito in Belgrade responded positively to the Kosovars demands; Kosovo acquired the status of a Socialist Autonomous Province within Serbia in 1968 and Kosovars were permitted to fly the Albanian flag (ibid.; Ramet 1992, 191; Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180).

Constitutional amendments in 1969 and 1971 provided for a greater degree of self-rule for Kosovo, and symbolically saw the official name for the region changed from the Serbian term Kosmet (Kosovo-Metohija)….. In 1969 the essentially Albanian University of Prishtina was opened; and much wider opportunities in the arts and entertainment were given to the Albanian-language and culture (Hall 1994, 205; see also Ramet 1992, 191).

However, during this period, especially after the creation of Prishtina University (formerly a branch of the University of Belgrade), relations between Serbs, Montenegrins and ethnic Albanians in Kosovo began to deteriorate (Ramet 1992, 191). Thousands of Serbs left the province, including many professionals and educators (ibid., 191-92).

The 1970s saw the continued outflow of Serbs and Montenegrins from the increasingly Albanized Kosovo (History Today 1 Dec. 1991)[5]. The proportion of ethnic Albanians in the province continued to increase as the Slavs left the province and ethnic Albanians experienced the highest birth-rate in Yugoslavia (Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180). A 1981 Washington Post article indicates that since 1968 "Albanians have come to dominate the political life of Kosovo. They have replaced Serbs in key positions, … and made Albanian the dominant language in the province" (18 Apr. 1981). The New York Times notes that after Rankovic's departure the majority of Kosovo's police force and administrators were ethnic Albanians and Albanian became the standard language of the courts, radio, newspapers and publishing (4 Apr. 1989).

The most significant change of status for Kosovo came in 1974, however, when a new Yugoslav constitution awarded both Kosovo and Vojvodina province in Serbia's north greater autonomy within Serbia (Financial Times 29 June 1989; Encyclopaedia of Conflicts 1993, 180; History Today 1 Dec. 1991; Hall 1994, 205). After 1974 Kosovo enjoyed "a degree of autonomy vis-à-vis Serbia that was virtually equivalent to full independence as a separate republic, although the region fell short of republican status in name" (ibid.). Kosovo now had the power of a veto over all matters that directly affected the province; according to author and historian Miranda Vickers, Serbs in Belgrade were no longer in full control of the province (History Today 1 Dec. 1991; see also FRY Oct. 1995).

Economically Kosovo remained depressed, this despite substantial allocations of credits and funds by federal authorities (History Today 1 Dec. 1991). According to Vickers, "years of economic discrimination, exploitation and neglect fuelled the growing frustration and bitterness felt by Kosova's increasing output of unemployed graduates" (ibid.; see also Financial Times 29 June 1989). In March and April 1981 students in Kosovo led a "full-scale revolt" against authorities (ibid.; Financial Times 29 June 1989; Ramet 1992, 195). Rioters demanded either outright secession from Yugoslavia or republican status within the federation (Ramet 1992, 196; Hall 1994, 205-06). Central Yugoslav authorities used excessive to quell the disturbances which left hundreds of students and police dead and injured (ibid.; Ramet 1992, 196; History Today 1 Dec. 1991).
__________________
Jesus beat the devil with two sticks. Colossian 2:13,15

Proud American!

Communism/Socialism is similar to legalizing burglary and murder!

Last edited by TrueAlbo2006; 04-07-2008 at 01:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why Canada should not recognize Kosovo AmusedToDeath Diplomacy & Conflict Resolution 33 03-18-2008 08:03 PM
Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian xDonnax Russia & Eastern Europe 170 03-14-2008 06:05 AM
In Abkhazia we will see the same as in Kosovo and Serbia Croaker Ethnic & Religious Conflicts 0 03-21-2007 08:39 AM
Islamists burn churches in Kosovo/Serbia catzmeow Current Events 9 08-18-2005 05:04 AM

Sponsored Links

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4
Advertisement System V2.1 By   Branden