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Old 04-10-2008, 10:42 AM
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1) You avoided my 20 points, because you have no answers.

2) You can test your theory. Inject every human being on earth with the HIV virus. The set up half the population to use science to save humanity.
And have the other half use religion to save humanity. (You can pick any religion you want!)

Wait 20 years, and see which side was saved.

You could also replicate this experiment with a big astroid.

I guess the religious side could try:
a) pray real hard.
b) convert nonbelieves to your religion and hope that appeases god enough to save you
c) Write big checks to the preachers, buy them expensive cars, and fabulous homes, private colleges, and a helicopter. This seems to be the MO for many main stream American religions. I don't know how it would save you from HIV or an astroid, but apparently it is pretty important.
d) read the bible extra hard, form million man bible groups and discover what god really wants. (I hope you pick the right bible!) (example: God comes down and says "I am going to let the astroid hit your planet, because you guys all read the bible and the correct answer was "Book of Morman""


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P.S. Remind me again who the arrogant know-it-all is?
I say "I don't know" you say "I KNOW".

I thought this thread was in it's death throes.

I didn't copy these "questions" you are referring to. So say again?

Here's the SITREP

I believe in God, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, I believe that by having faith in this, I will have eternal life with God.

I don't mean to be sarcastic or flippant with this, if that is how it is appearing.

Those are genuine truths to me.

You believe what you want to believe.

The Constitution protects my beliefs under the 1st Amendment as "Freedom of religion"

There is NOTHING in the Constitution about "Freedom FROM religion"

only a clear separation of Church and State, which by the way I agree with.

In the meantime, you are now free to roam about the cabin on this thing called Life.
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I believe in God, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, I believe that by having faith in this, I will have eternal life with God..
I fully believe, that people have the right to believe whatever they wish.

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I don't mean to be sarcastic or flippant with this, if that is how it is appearing.
I never thought you were. My only critique would be that you state your beliefs as FACT.

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Those are genuine truths to me.
This sound resonable in, that it sounds like you allowing other to believe as they wish.
But I wonder, what do YOU believe that a devout believer of the Koran will encounter after death. I wager, maybe wrongly so, that you believe that your vision is correct and true, while theirs if false and wrong. I can assure you that many Muslims believe you will burn in hell.

What sounds unreasonable to me, is why you would believe any of it?
Odds are you believe that way because you were raised to believe it.
Much like Plato's allagory of the cave.

In addition, that as you weigh religious beliefs against scientific believes, and you keep finding over and over and over that the religious beliefs are wrong, and quickly amended... to ad hoc adapt to what we actually know, that you might begin to DOUBT the religion itself.

Or,

Being that the first recorded bible was written some 60 years AFTER the death of Jesus, do you think per chance that it might have been altered or editorialized? It was written by humans, who are fallable. Both of these are UNDISPUTED by the christian faith.

So in summary, book about a dude, written 6 decades after his death by men who are fallable, and is full of inaccuracies and inconsistancies...
That just happen to be the preferred book of your culture, even though billions of other people have different books, from their culture...

And you don't see something amiss?

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You believe what you want to believe.
I agree, we should all believe what ever we want.
If you want to believe in the principles of the KKK ( I assume you dont), I say "go for it". I will think you are silly and wrong, but I don't doubt your freedom to do so.

In addition, I always get these sense of smug know-it-all ness from certain religious people. But oh well.

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The Constitution protects my beliefs under the 1st Amendment as "Freedom of religion"

There is NOTHING in the Constitution about "Freedom FROM religion"

only a clear separation of Church and State, which by the way I agree with.

In the meantime, you are now free to roam about the cabin on this thing called Life
I don't know why you went on that rant. Nobody is challenging your freedom to believe your religion. I think the sentiment, is that there is no logical reason to believe in your religion. And that you most certainly can never state it as fact. Mostly because you don't have any facts, just faith.

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