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Old 01-20-2007, 04:26 AM
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Benny Morris:-

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Benny Morris (born 194 is a prominent Israeli historian. He is considered the most influential and prolific member of the New Historians, a controversial group of scholars who have challenged much of the received wisdom of the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In his 1988 book The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949, Morris argues that the approximately 700,000 Palestinians who fled from their homes in 1947 left mostly due to fear of being caught in the crossfire, Israeli actions, or fear of Israeli actions, but not as the result of a pre-existing expulsion plan. This was at the time a controversial position, as the official position in Israel had been that the Palestinians left voluntarily or after pressure and encouragement from Palestinian or outside Arab leaders.

At the same time Morris documented atrocities on the part of the Israeli armed forces, including suspected cases of rape, torture, and ethnic cleansing.

In the 2004 book The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, he changes his perspective, and place the major responsibility for the creation of Palestinian refugees on Jewish military groups. According to Morris, these groups massacred far more Palestinians than has been known earlier. He also writes that expelling Palestinians was a goal that was shared with main Jewish leaders at the time. Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, gave orders to destroy Palestinian villages in 1948, according to the Israeli politician Aharon Cohen. In this 2004 version, Morris underlines that Jewish leaders, also before Israel was created, wanted as few Arabs/Palestinian in the areas they were conquering as possible. They wanted for demographic reasons as many Palestinians to flee as possible. Palestinians were also a politicized, armed community which was committed to fighting against Israel.

Morris was once considered a representative of the radical left; he was accused of being an "Israel hater" and was boycotted by the Israeli academic establishment. But his disillusionment with the peace process has caused him to increasingly make statements commonly associated with the right-wing, while still claiming to belong to the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris

Benny Morris in his own words:-

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The bombing of the buses and restaurants really shook me. They made me understand the depth of the hatred for us. They made me understand that the Palestinian, Arab and Muslim hostility toward Jewish existence here is taking us to the brink of destruction. I don't see the suicide bombings as isolated acts. They express the deep will of the Palestinian people. That is what the majority of the Palestinians want. They want what happened to the bus to happen to all of us.

There is no justification for acts of rape [...] or acts of massacre. Those are war crimes. But in certain conditions, expulsion is not a war crime. I don't think that the expulsions of 1948 were war crimes. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide—the annihilation of your people—I prefer ethnic cleansing.

That was the situation. That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on.

I [Benny Morris] think he [David Ben-Gurion] made a serious historical mistake in 1948. Even though he [David Ben-Gurion] understood the demographic issue and the need to establish a Jewish state without a large Arab minority, he [David Ben-Gurion] got cold feet during the war. In the end, he [David Ben-Gurion] faltered. If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job. [...] my feeling is that this place would be quieter and know less suffering if the matter had been resolved once and for all. If Ben-Gurion had carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country -- the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan River. If he [David Ben-Gurion] had carried out a full expulsion -- rather than a partial one -- he [David Ben-Gurion] would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations."
Other useful links:-

http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm

http://www.meforum.org/article/466

So Efraim Karsh doesn’t think he put all the quotes in full. Well 601 pages plus all the Appendix, Bibliography and Index would have been far longer was the gist of the quote retained? Putting the full quotes from Efraim Karsh doesn’t seem to change the meaning at all, but that’s for you to decide yourself. As you go on about it so much you must have read his [Benny Morris] book by now?

More useful links:-

http://www.counterpunch.org/shavit01162004.html

http://hnn.us/articles/3166.html

I’m not sure if this is a useful link or not?

http://www.hirhome.com/israel/about_face.htm

Was Dr. Francisco Gil-White fired from the University of Pennsylvania for political reasons?

Francisco Gil-White on Fancisco Gil-White
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“Gil-White's employer, the University of Pennsylvania psychology department, began harassing the young assistant professor,
But Gil-White ignored this and continued his work, casting his eye now also on the Arab-Israeli conflict, for there appeared to be some interesting similarities in the demonization of Serbs and Jews.

So the Serbs are really the good guys and nothing actually happened and all the International courts and forensic evidence is all lying?

he published a documentation of PLO origins, showing that this organization traced its roots to the German Nazi Final Solution.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=2322

Good use of the third person to write about himself!!! And his expertise is psychology!!! And back to a conspiracy theory that starts with Hitler!!!

What else does he believe:-

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US State Department misuses Washington's Holocaust Museum to market Holocaust denial;
A Holocaust memorial that is in holocaust denial really. Have I missed something there or what?
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