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First: this post belongs in the Middle East Section.
Perhaps you wanted to avoid knowledgable responses and try and foist Carter's well known biased opinion on us.
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Er...no. The upper section of the forum seems to receive the most traffic. I daresay a moderator may move the thread in due course but, in the meanwhile, I was hoping to elict responses from those members who rarely post in the regional sections. Since the quoted article is an opinion piece I felt that "Political Opinions and Beliefs" wasn`t too inappropriate. But feel free to ascribe whatever motives you fancy...
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The only state where original Palestinian refugees are given citizenship. (beside Jordan) is Israel. 20% fully enfranchised Arab; not apartheid in any way.
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Abu, Mr. Carter makes plain (more than once) that he is not refering to Israel. So I`m afraid this is irrelevent.
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If you had bothered to put this string in the correct section,
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This seems to bother you, Abu, but I`m afraid there isn`t any hard and fast rules about sections. I`m sure you`ve noticed that there is a section for every region in the world (and another for globe-encompassing issues). If everyone posted into the regional sections then sections like this would be pretty empty. It`s an opinion - It`s in the `opinion` section - sorry if that troubles you.
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you'd have noticed there's a discussion of Resolution 242 at the Top of it. (perhaps that's precisely why you didn't)
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Yeah, that`s right. I`m hiding
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Resolution 242 does NOT call for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders. Not at all. Recognizing Israel's 1967 war was defensive, if pre-emptive, it calls for NEW "Secure and Recognized Borders", Recognizing the old ones.. were not.
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Yes, you`re quite right, Abu. Res. 242 does not call for a withdrawal to the `67 border. It calls for withdrawal from "territories occupied in the recent conflict". Okay, Israel should do that. Either way works fine.
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ergo, the other Possible solution (3B) is that we really do abide by 242, and Israel get's the Buffers foreseen by that resolution, The Golan and a few small percent of the WB, and the Arabs stop crying about losing that small buffer after trying to wipe out the Jews 3 times from those borders.
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Leaving aside your interpretation of what 242 foresaw your `3B` is just a re-wording of Carter`s `2B`. Let me remind you:
An unacceptable modification of this choice now being proposed is the taking of substantial portions of the occupied territory with the remaining Palestinians completely surrounded by walls, fences and Israeli checkpoints, living as prisoners within the small portion of land left to them. I think you can quickly see the unacceptability of both of those options.
The only difference is that you have included a hope that the Palestinians will "stop crying" about it and Mr. Carter, more realistically, believes that they wont.
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Sorry boys, War is for keeps, ..
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That is my fear. Do you wish to stay in a perpetual state of conflict (Carter`s option 2) or would you prefer to seek a peaceful resolution?